[Diabetes] Low carb diet?

whiteonion

If you're a diabetic obviously you should avoid carbs because carbs break down into sugar and a diabetic is unable to handle sugars like non diabetics.

eilo1

whiteonion wrote: »

If you're a diabetic obviously you should avoid carbs because carbs break down into sugar and a diabetic is unable to handle sugars like non diabetics.

If your being ironic I ****ing love you, :pac::pac:
If not anger builds inside me...............:mad:

whiteonion

I am serious, diabetics should avoid carbs if they want to live longer. If they don't eat carbs their blood glucose won't run up and down like a jojo. A diabetics diet should consist mostly of saturated fat.

eilo1

whiteonion wrote: »

I am serious, diabetics should avoid carbs if they want to live longer. If they don't eat carbs their blood glucose won't run up and down like a jojo. A diabetics diet should consist mostly of saturated fat.

Zaph

whiteonion wrote: »

If you're a diabetic obviously you should avoid carbs because carbs break down into sugar and a diabetic is unable to handle sugars like non diabetics.

I think you'll find that the diabetics who post on this forum are very aware of the effects of carbs in their diet. But thanks for the advice anyway.

whiteonion wrote: »

I am serious, diabetics should avoid carbs if they want to live longer. If they don't eat carbs their blood glucose won't run up and down like a jojo. A diabetics diet should consist mostly of saturated fat.

What you don't seem to be aware of is that diabetics are more at risk of heart disease than most of the population. A diet consisting of mainly of saturated fats would only multiply this risk and ultimately the heart attack would get you before the diabetes.

robinph

whiteonion wrote: »

I am serious, diabetics should avoid carbs if they want to live longer. If they don't eat carbs their blood glucose won't run up and down like a jojo. A diabetics diet should consist mostly of saturated fat.

Now I'm not a dietician, but I suspect a diet of saturated fat would not be particularly healthy. Things have moved on quite a bit since the times when diabetics were given a diet of cabbage.

We can also deal with carbs pretty much as well as anyone else can with the use of insulin or other drugs.

graflynn

whiteonion wrote: »

I am serious, diabetics should avoid carbs if they want to live longer. If they don't eat carbs their blood glucose won't run up and down like a jojo. A diabetics diet should consist mostly of saturated fat.

We will live longer because we take better care of ourselves than the general population.

We have done our research, using ourselves as the subjects and know how carbs effect our blood glucose.

None of the reputable diabetes associations or diabetes specialists in the medical community recommend that people with diabetes stay away from carbs completely and they definately say reduce the fat content in our diets though.

If you provide us with a bit more medical information on you bold statement from reputatable websites, research studies, etc., we might be more willing to listen to you. PS Atkins & South Beach diets have proven that they can accerate kidney disease in people with Type 1 Diabetes (google it), so you can't use that.

whiteonion

Where I come from doctors are allowed to recommend a strict low carb diet for diabetics and it has proven to generate good results. Unfortunatly my home country is not english speaking so I have no studies in English to show you. There is no evidence that proves that saturated fat is in any way dangerous. You people have been lied to all these years and you've fallen for the lies. Carbs are not essential nutrients for humans, there is no evidence that suggest that you need to eat any carbs at all.

robinph

whiteonion wrote: »

... There is no evidence that proves that saturated fat is in any way dangerous....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Dietary_Recommendations

There are a few links to recommendations from various governments regarding reducing saturated fat intake there for you.

whiteonion

robinph wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Dietary_Recommendations

There are a few links to recommendations from various governments regarding reducing saturated fat intake there for you.

And why would you trust government recommendations about anything?

eilo1

whiteonion wrote: »

Where I come from doctors are allowed to recommend a strict low carb diet for diabetics and it has proven to generate good results. Unfortunatly my home country is not english speaking so I have no studies in English to show you. There is no evidence that proves that saturated fat is in any way dangerous. You people have been lied to all these years and you've fallen for the lies. Carbs are not essential nutrients for humans, there is no evidence that suggest that you need to eat any carbs at all.

Might be worth starting your own thread and if people want to engage with you they can do it there.

This is a thread for people affected by diabetes, not conspiracy theories.

robinph

Is there a particular government that we shouldn't be trusting from the ones linked there? Canada, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, India, Ghana, Guyana or Hong Kong? Or maybe the World Health Organisation?

Seems a wide enough range there for me to not think they are conning us.

If you've got any studies stating otherwise then let us know, there is always Google Translate if that is the issue. But if there is anything significant then I'm sure there will already be an English language translation out there or a response to it.

robinph

eilo1 wrote: »

Might be worth starting your own thread and if people want to engage with you they can do it there.

This is a thread for people affected by diabetes, not conspiracy theories.

Posts have now been split to a new thread.

whiteonion

It turns out there is an English version of this study. http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/14 A low carb diet is much better than the current recommendations according to this study. Eating carbs and then injecting insulin to handle the bad effects from the carbs is just as silly as if someone who was allergic to nuts would eat nuts anyway and then take antihistamins to deal with the allergic reactions. No one would recommend someone who is allergic to nuts to eat them anyway. So why would anyone recommend a diabetic to eat carbs since they are "allergic" to carbs.

eilo1

whiteonion wrote: »

It turns out there is an English version of this study. http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/14 A low carb diet is much better than the current recommendations according to this study. Eating carbs and then injecting insulin to handle the bad effects from the carbs is just as silly as if someone who was allergic to nuts would eat nuts anyway and then take antihistamins to deal with the allergic reactions. No one would recommend someone who is allergic to nuts to eat them anyway. So why would anyone recommend a diabetic to eat carbs since they are "allergic" to carbs.

A few problems with that study,

1 population size is tiny,
2 the participants are type 2 diabetics (normally non insulin dependent)
3 The participants are obese (any reduction in body mass should result in improved glycemic control)
4 It was not clear what management the control group had my bad I skimmed over the methodology there is in fact details of the control group.

Can I just ask are you aware the differences between type one and type two diabetes? Most of the people you are speaking to on here are type one's.

whiteonion

Type one's don't produce any insulin, type two's have developed insulin resistance.

For type one's low carb diet can mean that they don't have to inject as much insulin.

eilo1

whiteonion wrote: »

Type one's don't produce any insulin, type two's have developed insulin resistance.

For type one's low carb diet can mean that they don't have to inject as much insulin.

A low carb diet in just not feasible for type one's who are active. We need the carbs to stave off hypoglycemia.

Taking less insulin is not an indication of good health/management in a type one.

robinph

whiteonion wrote: »

Type one's don't produce any insulin, type two's have developed insulin resistance.

For type one's low carb diet can mean that they don't have to inject as much insulin.

Are you trying to say that there is some benefit for me to inject 3 units of insulin after eating 30g of carbs, instead of 6 units after eating 60g of carbs?

60g is still a quite small meal for me but that is beside the point for this.

graflynn

whiteonion wrote: »

Eating carbs and then injecting insulin to handle the bad effects from the carbs is just as silly as if someone who was allergic to nuts would eat nuts anyway and then take antihistamins to deal with the allergic reactions. No one would recommend someone who is allergic to nuts to eat them anyway. So why would anyone recommend a diabetic to eat carbs since they are "allergic" to carbs.

That's a very simplistic approach. I respect that your opinion is different to mine and many others here on the boards.

But I do think you are missing one very vital point here. If you ask any of the diabetes posters about their health the honest responses would all be that our health is excellent and we all have excellent quality of life. I'm sure most of us rarely miss a day or work or school because we're sick. We are managing our diabetes extremely well - we balance the insulin:food:exercise thing well and we usually come out on top.

I know we have a disease but we are not ill.

The problem with low or no carb diets is that no-one can really stick to it. I have a good 30-40 years left in my life and that's a long time to not eat potatoes, rice or pasta. I'd maybe last a week and then binge which is not good for my diabetes.

I'd rather live a good healthy life filled with just enough carb to fulfil my body's daily needs and enjoy it rather than being miserable avoiding that which is everywhere.

What about children with diabetes? Would you recommend that they stay away from carbs too? What kind of living would that be for them?

5live

whiteonion wrote: »

I am serious, diabetics should avoid carbs if they want to live longer. If they don't eat carbs their blood glucose won't run up and down like a jojo. A diabetics diet should consist mostly of saturated fat.

Any information on where we would get the micronutrients like minerals and vitamins from a predominately fat based diet when the water soluble vitamins will be deficient in that diet and very low levels of minerals present in the fats and only a fraction of the necessary nutrients in a healthy diet in the tiny proportions of carbohydrate allowed? This may be a case of the cure worse than the disease:mad: