Hospitals & NCHD Overtime

Breezer

I'm currently applying for an Intern post next July, and I'm wondering with the controversy surrounding overtime if any NCHDs on here could confirm whether or not these hospitals are currently paying rostered/unrostered overtime to NCHDs:

St Vincent's
Mater Hospital
A&M Hospital, Tallaght
Beaumont Hospital
Connolly Hospital, Blanchardstown

I realise this could be a bit sensitive so if the mods deem it more appropriate maybe people could PM me please?

And please nobody get on a high horse. Money is not my sole motivating factor in my future career, but I do have financial commitments and I'm trying to make an informed decision.

Thanks a mill to anyone who can help.

papajimsmooth

You dont have to justify yourself, you deserve every cent you earn

Rodin

and should be paid every hour you work

Vorsprung

Beaumont didn't until recently, not sure if that's changed.

SVUH had a system of overtime quota, not sure whY that entailed.

In the last few days, the Labour Court has rules that NCHDs are entitled to be paid for all hours worked (can't believe a court had to rule on that) - don't know how that will affect the payment of OT nationally.

take everything

papajimsmooth wrote: »

You dont have to justify yourself, you deserve every cent you earn

This.

lonestargirl

papajimsmooth wrote: »

You dont have to justify yourself, you deserve every cent you earn

+1

Wherever you end up get into the habit of scanning in your timesheets before handing them up - you never know when the situation may change.

Jane5

I have only recently come from the Mater, and they were paying us every cent with no fuss, we did have to fill in very detailed timesheets, but this was all for their records I think-all in my team were paid in full every month. Very refreshing!

Traumadoc

Photocopy them and work out for yourself what you should expect to earn , overtime tends to be paid a month behind .

Breezer

Thanks for the replies so far guys.

drzhivago

Jane5 wrote: »

I have only recently come from the Mater, and they were paying us every cent with no fuss, we did have to fill in very detailed timesheets, but this was all for their records I think-all in my team were paid in full every month. Very refreshing!

FAdo Fado (feels great saying that now as I dont really want to remember those days) we werent paid properly for overtime

One hospital mentioned in this thread actually calculated for all doctors what they should have been paid after the fact, when the verifcation board was set up after the 2000 contract NCHDs were able to write a letter to any hospital taht owed them money outlining why they thought they were owed money

It was well publicised at the time and a sign of the apathy/tolerance/ scaredycatness of NCHDs at the time was that even though all they had to do was write a letter less than 30% did so for taht hospital and the hospital staff were amazed. They had it all worked out but could not send money untile they had a request for it as that was how they were getting refunded by the Department of health at the time

The moral of the story, if you submit your paperwork and keep a copy you will eventually get paid.

Someone made the point about OT being one month behind, sometimes it can be two and we are now in the ridiculous scenario that because changeover is 2nd week january you will get a pay check at end Jan and also end feb for the OT done in the 2 weeks of january menaing the 1st 2 months paychecks at leats of NEW job will always be on emergency tax, every year if you change hospital each 6 months as is new HSE plan you will be on emergency tax 1/3 of the year

drzhivago

Would people value a service where they could text starting time and finishing time for an online database service to store your hours, take your hospitals OT form, produce it for you as pdf, email it to you each month with estimate of what you should be paid based on year of grade??

opinion guy

drzhivago wrote: »

Would people value a service where they could text starting time and finishing time for an online database service to store your hours, take your hospitals OT form, produce it for you as pdf, email it to you each month with estimate of what you should be paid based on year of grade??

It would be too easy to forget. Better to have a proper swipe in swipe out system.

ThatDrGuy

They have a swipe in swipe out system in Tallaghtfornia. Management promised if the docs used it , they would do away with quotas. Then they said if you were over your quota they wouldn't pay you, but if you were under your quota they would cut the quota. Now they have told the consultants not to sign off any overtime over the quota in case its used in the labour court. God I wish we had a Union.

Bella mamma

ThatDrGuy wrote: »

They have a swipe in swipe out system in Tallaghtfornia. Management promised if the docs used it , they would do away with quotas. Then they said if you were over your quota they wouldn't pay you, but if you were under your quota they would cut the quota. Now they have told the consultants not to sign off any overtime over the quota in case its used in the labour court. God I wish we had a Union.

So we had quotas. Not Talla. Last year I went on a mission in May - copied couple of hundred 'non-rostered overtime' forms, to be filled in by NCHDs, signed by consultant, informed around 40 parties of interest (none of whom had previously applied), handed out, left in Res, and guess..........just guess............how many filled them in??

1 (one).

And that 1 (one) was on my team. Apathy? :mad: Beaten-down??

opinion guy

Bella mamma wrote: »

So we had quotas. Not Talla. Last year I went on a mission in May - copied couple of hundred 'non-rostered overtime' forms, to be filled in by NCHDs, signed by consultant, informed around 40 parties of interest (none of whom had previously applied), handed out, left in Res, and guess..........just guess............how many filled them in??

1 (one).

And that 1 (one) was on my team. Apathy? :mad: Beaten-down??

No. Overpaid.
If people can't even be bothered to fill out the forms, then they obviously don't need the money. Sorry, but its true.

RobFowl

opinion guy wrote: »

No. Overpaid.
If people can't even be bothered to fill out the forms, then they obviously don't need the money. Sorry, but its true.

In the immortal words of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry "opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one"

opinion guy

RobFowl wrote: »

In the immortal words of Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry "opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one"

Thats nice.
Now give me logical argument in response please. I posit, that if a large proportion of a cohort of people in an industrial dispute are not bothered to take 15 minutes to write a letter to obtain their full pay, then they obviously do not need the money that badly. In other words - on average they are overpaid.
Prove me wrong.

take everything

opinion guy wrote: »

Thats nice.
Now give me logical argument in response please. I posit, that if a large proportion of a cohort of people in an industrial dispute are not bothered to take 15 minutes to write a letter to obtain their full pay, then they obviously do not need the money that badly. In other words - on average they are overpaid.
Prove me wrong.

Seriously?
A lot of NCHDs are just resigned to a culture of being worked like dogs and not getting paid for it. They're just demoralised/simply don't believe it'll work.
That and the fact they are often just swamped/preoccupied with the workload to prioritise this stuff.
Saying NCHDs are overpaid is insulting and wrong.

RobFowl

opinion guy wrote: »

Thats nice.
Now give me logical argument in response please. I posit, that if a large proportion of a cohort of people in an industrial dispute are not bothered to take 15 minutes to write a letter to obtain their full pay, then they obviously do not need the money that badly. In other words - on average they are overpaid.
Prove me wrong.

Your opinion is not based on any facts or evidence and you I've not seen you change you mind on anything.
NCHD's are not particularly well paid considering the hours they do.
There is ongoing pressure form management (medical and non medical) not to claim everything you are owed.
Unfortunately they is still the overt and covert threat that anyone who "rocks the boat2 will have their career adversely affected.
A friend on mine was made work a full weekend they were supposed to be off on with 2 hours notice.
They took it to their union rep who told them if they took a case they would win easily but would not "work in this country again".
So forgive me when I hold your ill informed opinions with the contempt they deserve.

Bella mamma

take everything wrote: »

Seriously?
A lot of NCHDs are just resigned to a culture of being worked like dogs and not getting paid for it. They're just demoralised/simply don't believe it'll work.
That and the fact they are often just swamped/preoccupied with the workload to prioritise this stuff.
Saying NCHDs are overpaid is insulting and wrong.

Yeah agree BUT over 6 weeks with the forms handed to their hand and explained to them...........no one gave a reason thou my #1 reason (for their reason) would be "simply don't believe it'll work".

We've gotta be able to want to help ourselves.

It would have been as quick to fill it out, get the consultant to sign it (no issue there), I said I'd collect them - than watch a film (time permitting!).

I found the experience, itself, demoralising :mad:

Maybe Mayo will rectify what I could not.

j.mcdrmd

Breezer wrote: »

I'm currently applying for an Intern post next July, and I'm wondering with the controversy surrounding overtime if any NCHDs on here could confirm whether or not these hospitals are currently paying rostered/unrostered overtime to NCHDs:

St Vincent's
Mater Hospital
A&M Hospital, Tallaght
Beaumont Hospital
Connolly Hospital, Blanchardstown

........

Money is not my sole motivating factor in my future career, but I do have financial commitments and I'm trying to make an informed decision.

Tallaght overtime is being paid now according to this
http://www.imn.ie/news/3871-nchd-overtime-payment-agreement