Ireland and Japan

oneoff

Ireland is broke, a few hundred thousand empty homes in the country.
Japan close to a nuclear catastrophe, people will be forced to abandon large areas of the country in a worst case scenario.
Now is the time to "poach " the best and brightest Japan has to offer.
Let them emigrate to ireland, give them irish citizenship, and let them buy the empty house's at rock bottom prices.
Ireland gets much needed money and the japanese get to live safely in Ireland.
Whoever gets in early with the right offer will be seen as a good friend when Japan was in need.
Would not be long before Japanese companies set up shop in Ireland as their european base, in a few year the economy would be booming.
It would be a win win situation for both countries.
What do you think?

Nody

That even in a "worst case scenario" they will need only to do minor evacuations around the plants due to better controls and quality of the plants. They are also built were they are built due to being built intentionally in relatively isolated locations (for Japan) with a proper structure to contain the radioactive material.

Hence no, they would not come to Ireland to "evacuate" their people; possibly US due to historical ties but Ireland no.

ei.sdraob

what nuclear catastrophe? someone been watching to much sensationalist media

common sense brigade

and let them buy the empty house's at rock bottom prices.

how will they buy the houses here if they have lost everything in Japan? Are you proposing letting them come here and claim the Dole. As currently the jobs market here is dire with very little jobs.

Dutch_Druid

common sense brigade wrote: »

Are you proposing letting them come here and claim the Dole. As currently the jobs market here is dire with very little jobs.

Seems like that, or a long commute daily back to Japan every day

kaahooters

why would they want to come here?

they still have better schools (just not in the same location) public transport and there polite and know that lifes isint all me me me ME ME ME.

id be like us goin to ..... i cant actually think of a country in a worse shape then us atm....

ArphaRima

The Japanese have no interest in our sh1tty island. I would rather be in Japan than Ireland, so I reckon they would too. Besides if their island really did become some kind of post-apocalyptic godzilla ravaged wasteland they would just invade their neighbours again..

I think it's more likely that you might find work over there as manual labourer rebuilding their country.

RichardAnd

Seems like the latest in a long list of boards.ie's wild and werid ideas to get Ireland out of Recession with as little work as possible.

oneoff

Think about it for a second, the japanese powers that be, will most definitely be playing down the seriousness of whats happening. Millions of people crammed into urban areas close to the Four Japanese nuclear complexes damaged in the wake of Friday's disaster.
You dismiss the idea completely, bear in mind the nuclear meltdown is only at the early stages at one nuclear complex, two more are starting to show some worrying signs
Radioactivity detected 60 miles from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
France has urged its citizens to leave the tokyo region.
German news source De Speigle has pulled all reporters from toyko.
The US navy is moving , the U.S. said the carrier and other 7th Fleet ships involved in relief efforts had shifted to another area."
France's ASN nuclear safety authority has classed the nuclear accident at Fukushima's Daiichi plan as level 5 or 6 on the international scale of 1 to 7, on a par with the 1979 U.S. Three Mile Island meltdown, one higher than that given by Japan's nuclear safety agency.
"Level four is a serious level," ASN President Andre-Claude Lacoste told a news conference, but added: "We feel that we are at least at level five or even at level 6." A 7 is as bad as it gets.
It is early days yet and we all hope it works out ok, but can you honestly say you believe everything the Japanese government is saying? They will keep the people in the dark as long as possible.

ArphaRima

Yes but do you actually know any Japanese people?

I have many Japanese friends, and I can tell you Ireland would be well down the list for even a holiday never mind emigration.

Next is the fact that Ireland has actually got quite well educated people already. We dont need to steal talent from Japan. Japan also pays better than we do. English levels would also be quite poor.

How happy will the Irish graduates who're being forced to emigrate would feel about your plan? They cant get jobs in Japan (easily-various reasons) so why should Ireland accomodate them?

More fundamentally though - what part of this plan helps Ireland or Japan?
The international job market is open to everyone who holds the right visas and work permits. Japan is high on our list of trusted countries. They can compete openly on the world market for employment if they so wish.

There will be no movement of money, jobs, people or skills to Ireland. Why would there be when they live right next door to China, Vietnam and Korea.

The Japanese are a resiliant and hard working people. They will get through this.

ei.sdraob

oneoff wrote: »

Think about it for a second, the japanese powers that be, will most definitely be playing down the seriousness of whats happening. Millions of people crammed into urban areas close to the Four Japanese nuclear complexes damaged in the wake of Friday's disaster.
You dismiss the idea completely, bear in mind the nuclear meltdown is only at the early stages at one nuclear complex, two more are starting to show some worrying signs
Radioactivity detected 60 miles from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
France has urged its citizens to leave the tokyo region.
German news source De Speigle has pulled all reporters from toyko.
The US navy is moving , the U.S. said the carrier and other 7th Fleet ships involved in relief efforts had shifted to another area."
France's ASN nuclear safety authority has classed the nuclear accident at Fukushima's Daiichi plan as level 5 or 6 on the international scale of 1 to 7, on a par with the 1979 U.S. Three Mile Island meltdown, one higher than that given by Japan's nuclear safety agency.
"Level four is a serious level," ASN President Andre-Claude Lacoste told a news conference, but added: "We feel that we are at least at level five or even at level 6." A 7 is as bad as it gets.
It is early days yet and we all hope it works out ok, but can you honestly say you believe everything the Japanese government is saying? They will keep the people in the dark as long as possible.

I think you need to stop watching TV

oneoff

The facts are Ireland is broke, japan is on the verge of nuclear melt down.
Ireland sold passports in the past, why not something similar now. And let's be honest here, a japanese person who could afford to buy a house here would not be someone on the dole. Even if they got it for a knock down price. We would be getting the well off and well educated. Those with a bit of Go in them, exactly who we need in this country.
They know first hand the horrors of radiation poisoning. Who would want to live on toxic ground not knowing if your unborn children will be deformed.
Previous poster said if they have to emigrate it will be to neighbouring country's. They still resent what happened in WW2. So that's ruled out.
A fresh start would await them here

hinault

What we need are people who can create and develop product.

The Japanese are good are taking other nations creations/ideas and improving upon them.

Tea drinker

double post

Tea drinker

kaahooters wrote: »

why would they want to come here?

they still have better schools (just not in the same location) public transport and there polite and know that lifes isint all me me me ME ME ME.

id be like us goin to ..... i cant actually think of a country in a worse shape then us atm....

You know you are in trouble when the Japanese refugees arriving here are saying "oh the poor Irish people"

Japanese people like to speak Japanese, not english. They have a different mindset, and would never be allowed succeed here by racists and begrudgers anyway.

How many soldiers and Gardai have we sent to assist? What food / water / shelter did we send? Japan has asked for fuel, did anyone get off their hole to see what we could do here?

Dannyboy83

We already have bigots out in force due to the influx of white Christians from within our political bloc.

I don't want to even imagine how they will respond to an influx of non-white, non-Christian people.

p.s.
Japan took earthquakes, tsunamis, nuclear drama and now their volancoes have become active.
Japan is still not destroyed.

Ireland suffered from none of the above, just Fianna Fail.

Permabear

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ArphaRima

Japan declines Irish offer of aid

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0314/breaking56.html?via=mr

irishh_bob

yeah , swap the most technological advanced country in the world with thier bullet trains etc for some poorly built three bed semi with no propper local ameneties in a bog in offaly or roscommon

saintsaltynuts

I dont think the Japanese are that desperate to be honest.

common sense brigade

How many soldiers and Gardai have we sent to assist? What food / water / shelter did we send? Japan has asked for fuel, did anyone get off their hole to see what we could do here?

I heard Eamonn Gilmore say that Japan refused an offer of aid from Ireland.
'The Japanese government has declined an offer of Irish aid for those displaced by last Friday’s earthquake and resultant tsunami, Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore has said.
Mr Gilmore said Japan was “probably the best-prepared country in the world for a major disaster”, and the Japanese Red Cross mobilised 62 response teams in the hours immediately following the earthquake.'

Maybe the best outcome would be we offer assistance again in the form of constructions workers to help rebuild. And also offer passports to people who may wish to take up the offer here. But it would be wrong to only offer this to rich Japenese who can afford to buy our houses here.What about the poor people? we would have to i think offer to take a set number rich and poor. Of course our own economy is in dire straits but i do agree at times like this economics should be put aside. All countries should offer to take as many people as they can if the Nucluer situation esacalates.

ei.sdraob

Wait until some smart ass in our government offers them free cheese :rolleyes:

jimmycrackcorm

Looking at the flattening of whole towns of wooden constructed buildings I think the best thing we coudl do is send out the Construction Industry Federation to advise them - a win/win for both countries.

RichardAnd

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Looking at the flattening of whole towns of wooden constructed buildings I think the best thing we coudl do is send out the Construction Industry Federation to advise them - a win/win for both countries.

The japanese know how to build and they were building bueatiful cities back when were were still smearing cow poop onto wattle. The houses you saw are not wooden because the japanese don't know how to build, they're wooden because it's cheaper and it's what people generally use for houses over there outside of cities.

Also, don't go thinking that IReland is some sort of internation expert on construction. Alot of the stuff built during the boom was as shabby as a communal toilet at a filling station. What on earth could the CIF tell the japanese? How to build estates out of cardboard up the side of a mountain?

ei.sdraob

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Looking at the flattening of whole towns of wooden constructed buildings I think the best thing we coudl do is send out the Construction Industry Federation to advise them - a win/win for both countries.

I dont think our builders know anything about building earthquake proof buildings (never mind a tsunami) judging by the quality of what they build in last decade

shannonpowerlab

Tea drinker wrote: »

You know you are in trouble when the Japanese refugees arriving here are saying "oh the poor Irish people"

Japanese people like to speak Japanese, not english. They have a different mindset, and would never be allowed succeed here by racists and begrudgers anyway.

How many soldiers and Gardai have we sent to assist? What food / water / shelter did we send? Japan has asked for fuel, did anyone get off their hole to see what we could do here?

Agree.

I'm one of them here. It rather sucks to be here jobwise.
I tend to get shafted more frequently than others...Pitty I bought a house here...
Man, do I regret it...

nadir

LOL

Funniest thread in a long time
As already said Japanese people would never leave Japan. Some of them go for holidays and stuff abroad, but almost all (and I mean all) go back to Japan.
They just have no interest in living abroad, culture is too different, and quality of services are too good here (I live in Japan btw).
Ireland especially sucks at services...

I do however think it's a good idea to try to Invest in Japan, and promote Irish companies and products over here, or promote Ireland as a place of development. There is till a lot of opportunity if it's marketed correctly.

nadir

Permabear wrote: »

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doublepost I know ..

But I take issue with this. Over half of that 200% GDP debt is owned by companies internal to Japan, Sony, Toyota, Nippon steel etc. This is a very different dynamic to debt issued abroad(as in Ireland's case), Japan can control this through Tax breaks or various other mechanisms over a very long period of time. Japan certainly has issues but they are vastly different to the typical debt you are referring too.
The Japanese government has bought masses of american and foreign bonds over the years which is something Ireland lacks, this can give leverage and influence, again Ireland does not have the option.
Japan also has a huge export driven economy, which grows with foreign demand. The real issues here are the growing pension problem, and the number of old people.
In terms of the the Tohoku Earthquake/disaster, they are throwing around a figure of 300 billion dollars in rebuilding which is well less than 1% of GDP, so I don't think it's going have much of an impact in the long term.

On another topic--
Providing rebuilding aid unfortunately would be impossible, Japanese houses are made from wood, and fibreglass and various compositions as they are most suitable for resisting an earthquake. They are built like a box which is light, and can be thrown around in the event of an earthquake.
Note that in the videos the towns are all still standing(after a 9.0M earthquake). I'd like to see Dublin after a quake of that size..
Unfortunately they seem not to be so good at taking a wall of water, that's what they use the coastal walls for, but this tsunami was 10M high in some places, so I don't think there is a whole lot you can do about it.