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Kent station platforms collapse?
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14-03-2011 12:29am#1
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DWCommuter wrote: »
Whats this thread about again?
Disaster in Cork
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yes I know but my point was that the replacement train a 6car 22000 was more capable of keeping to the timetable than the old mark4 trains which are always late at intermediate stations not just when they break down. Had I travelled on a mark4 set it would be late at every intermediate station then make up time on the end run into Heuston but this us little comfort to people who had wanted to make connections at intermediate stations or who had busses to catch. The mark4 trains are useless unless running nonstop as it takes them too long to stop and accelerate away from stations.
So I take it that you have you regular experience traveling on Heuston-Cork services to say that they are always late
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Losty Dublin wrote: »So I take it that you have you regular experience traveling on Heuston-Cork services to say that they are always late
Always late at intermediate stations yes but sometimes they arrive at cork/heuston on time but this does not help people looking to make train or bus connections in Thurles Portlaoise Portsrlington or any station along the route that the mark4's arrive late to.0 -
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Yes, you should also ask anyone who gets their train at Portlaoise or Portarlington or Thurles if the cork train ever arrives on time at those stations.
For a regular passenger it seems to have escaped your attention that less that half of Dublin-Cork trains stop at Portarlington or Port Laois for passengers to be late for 0 -
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but the 22000's can get to all the intermediate stations bang on time while the awful uncomfortable mark4's are incapable.
Train times on Dublin-Cork services reflect the loco stock that runs on it so it can and does keep it's right time. I've traveled it enough times myself and know it keeps good time, the odd PW delay excepted or perhaps your watch is a minute or two out.Coming from Westport/Ballina on the 17.45 from Westport going to Carlow means changing at Portarlington for the 18.30 from Cork which arrives very late(20-25minutes) and then the Carlow train has to be held for over 10minutes to allow the Cork train to arrive approximately 15minutes late in Kildare!
Early on today you said that you travel Dublin-Cork regularly; using it the odd time to connect onto a ten minute trip is not using it regularly so your word here isn't any good. Regardless; there is just 2 minutes scheduled difference between the last Carlow train and the 18:30 ex Cork so any minor delay can result in a short delay.As stated before to others my travel arrangements are none of your business so kindly keep your comments to yourself.
If you are talking about your rather odd and random national travel movements on a public forum (which invariably are tainted in some way) then it's to be expected that people will question same so be prepared for questions regarding same.As I experienced the 22000 set arrived bang on time at every station when any mark4 set i have been on has been late at all stations after leaving Cork so it appears the timetable for the Cork route is set up for 22000's and not the mark4's.
As has been said to you several times, the Cork route movements are planned out for Mark 4 sets in general as they are the marked in fleet for it, replacements excepted.
@Chris; only saw your post after I posted lest you think I am ignoring you
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Losty Dublin wrote: »@Chris; only saw your post after I posted lest you think I am ignoring you
Put me on ignore at your peril... :P:D0 -
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I have travelled on parts of the Cork-Dublin line very regularly and the times are appalling. regularly trains are 20-25minutes late in Templemore, Thurles, Portlaoise, Portarlington and Kildare. And my time is the same as the clocks in Cork and Heuston so i expect it is correct.Losty Dublin wrote: »Train times on Dublin-Cork services reflect the loco stock that runs on it so it can and does keep it's right time. I've traveled it enough times myself and know it keeps good time, the odd PW delay excepted or perhaps your watch is a minute or two out.
I would use it several times a week for different trips some as long as Cork-Heuston and others as short as Portlaois/Portarlington to Kildare, and the time scheduled to catch the last Carlow train in Kildare is 6minutes which should be ample time but the Carlow train has to be held back by at least ten minutes whenever they realise that someone on the Cork train wants to make the connection.Early on today you said that you travel Dublin-Cork regularly; using it the odd time to connect onto a ten minute trip is not using it regularly so your word here isn't any good. Regardless; there is just 2 6minutes scheduled difference between the last Carlow train and the 18:30 ex Cork so any minor delay can result in a short delay.
I will discuss the trains taxis planes or busses i get but to make comment on my travel arrangements like you are doing is not on really.If you are talking about your rather odd and random national travel movements on a public forum (which invariably are tainted in some way) then it's to be expected that people will question same so be prepared for questions regarding same.
As has been said to you several times, the Cork route movements are planned out for Mark 4 sets in general as they are the marked in fleet for it, replacements excepted.
@Chris; only saw your post after I posted lest you think I am ignoring you
the Cork route may well be set for mark4 running on the line but the 22000's operate much better to the mark4 timetable even keeping time after serious disruption after a mark4 train failure which brought the line to a complete stop for some time. i would go as far as saying that the 22000 that left cork late at 17.37 kept to the timetable en route from cork while the next mark4 set from heuston was upwards of 15minutes late getting to Thurles.0 -
I have travelled on parts of the Cork-Dublin line very regularly and the times are appalling. regularly trains are 20-25minutes late in Templemore, Thurles, Portlaoise, Portarlington and Kildare. And my time is the same as the clocks in Cork and Heuston so i expect it is correct.
You are talking about five stations here, four of which are not regularly served by Cork trains. Kildare only has 2 trains out of Dublin; I'd love to know how you make it onto a Cork train from Carlow if that's the case;)I would use it several times a week for different trips some as long as Cork-Heuston and others as short as Portlaois/Portarlington to Kildare, and the time scheduled to catch the last Carlow train in Kildare is 6minutes which should be ample time but the Carlow train has to be held back by at least ten minutes whenever they realise that someone on the Cork train wants to make the connection.
Several times a week on the train and yet you still The connection time is 5 minutes as per the working timetable which gives just enough time but if its so badly delayed on a regular basis as what you make out it then why are you relying on it? :rolleyes:I will discuss the trains taxis planes or busses i get but to make comment on my travel arrangements like you are doing is not on really.
We only comment on what you bring up here. You raise it, we debate and bate itthe Cork route may well be set for mark4 running on the line but the 22000's operate much better to the mark4 timetable even keeping time after serious disruption after a mark4 train failure which brought the line to a complete stop for some time. i would go as far as saying that the 22000 that left cork late at 17.37 kept to the timetable en route from cork while the next mark4 set from heuston was upwards of 15minutes late getting to Thurles.
For the last time; 22000's have better acceleration than 201 hauled trains but as they are still working on the same timing schedules there is little scope for them to work noticeably faster. If you were on a 17:30 train, how do you know how fast the 18:30 was going?
And you wonder why we don't believe you half the time :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:0 -
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12/14 trains stop in Thurles on the way to Cork and 12/16 stop there on the way to Dublin.Losty Dublin wrote: »You are talking about five stations here, four of which are not regularly served by Cork trains. Kildare only has 2 trains out of Dublin; I'd love to know how you make it onto a Cork train from Carlow if that's the case
4/14 serve Templemore on the way down and 7/16 on the return.
7/14 serve Portlaoise on the way to Cork and 10/16 on the way to Dublin.
Only 3/14 serve Portarlington on the way to Cork and 6/16 on the return.
Only 2/14 serve Kildare on the way to Cork and 6/16 on the return.
This is every day Monday to Saturday and what you fail to take into account is the times these trains are stopping at these stations, they are as "regular" as they need to be for picking up and dropping off as many passengers as they can, most are in the morning on the way to Cork and the evening on the way back to Dublin when most people require tham to make connections for other trains or busses to either get them to meetings/appointments etc or to get them home.
I have often got the 1.30pm from Kildare to Cork after getting a train from Carlow to Kildare at 12.13pm or get the 8.55am from Carlow to Kildare for the 9.58 from Kildare to Portlaoise to catch the 10am Cork train in Portlaoise at 10.52am and on the way home I usually get the last train from Kildare to Carlow which has to be held back in Kildare as the Cork train is always late! you as an Irish Rail employee should surely know this!
the timetable is here i suggest you have a look at it.
Again as an Irish Rail employee you are showing an expected attitude towards timekeeping, there is a 6minute window in which to get the last Carlow train in Kildare if and ONLY IF the Cork train is on time which it rarely is but i dont rely totally on it as if the staff dont hold the connecting train i will just get the next train into Heuston and then make my way to Carlow by bus. then complain by email or in writing about the awful lateness of the awful flagship service of Irish Rail.Several times a week on the train and yet you still The connection time is 5 minutes as per the working timetable which gives just enough time but if its so badly delayed on a regular basis as what you make out it then why are you relying on it? :rolleyes:
Forget the timing schedules for a moment and just concentrate on two trains side by side going to Cork and back, what i have experienced is the 22000's are faster accelerating between stops and can also stop better so they can get from stop to stop a lot faster than the mark4's so the 22000 arrives minutes before the mark4 at the stations, this time delay builds up at every station until the mark4's are running up to 30 minutes behind the 22000's and as we all know the mark4 if they can cut out the last stop at Kildare and when other trains are kept well out of the way can usually make up a lot of time on the run into Heuston but with the 4track section finished so can the 22000's. what this means now is that the timings for the mark4 seem perfectly tailored to the 22000 sets even with 3-4 extra stops!For the last time; 22000's have better acceleration than 201 hauled trains but as they are still working on the same timing schedules there is little scope for them to work noticeably faster. If you were on a 17:30 train, how do you know how fast the 18:30 was going?
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It's easy to see why people have you on ignore.12/14 trains stop in Thurles on the way to Cork and 12/16 stop there on the way to Dublin.
4/14 serve Templemore on the way down and 7/16 on the return.
7/14 serve Portlaoise on the way to Cork and 10/16 on the way to Dublin.
Only 3/14 serve Portarlington on the way to Cork and 6/16 on the return.
Only 2/14 serve Kildare on the way to Cork and 6/16 on the return.
As I said, five stations of which 4 don't have regular service on said service. Thank you for proving my point.This is every day Monday to Saturday and what you fail to take into account is the times these trains are stopping at these stations...
Dublin Cork trains use Dublin at the de facto connection point; any other connections are occasional or can be provided if a relevant train can be connected to. In the case of Portarlington, no westbound train can depart until northbound trains clear the up line so any delays are actually not hampering any connection here.I have often got the 1.30pm from Kildare to Cork after getting a train from Carlow to Kildare at 12.13pm or get the 8.55am from Carlow to Kildare for the 9.58 from Kildare to Portlaoise to catch the 10am Cork train in Portlaoise at 10.52am and on the way home I usually get the last train from Kildare to Carlow which has to be held back in Kildare as the Cork train is always late
Thanks for that; more mystery trips for you to makeyou as an Irish Rail employee should surely know this!
Again as an Irish Rail employee you are showing an expected attitude towards timekeeping, there is a 6minute window in which to get the last Carlow train in Kildare if and ONLY IF the Cork train is on time which it rarely is but i dont rely totally on it as if the staff dont hold the connecting train i will just get the next train into Heuston and then make my way to Carlow by bus. then complain by email or in writing about the awful lateness of the awful flagship service of Irish Rail.[/quote]
Where have I ever said that I worked for Irish Rail?
Forget the timing schedules for a moment and just concentrate on two trains side by side going to Cork and back, what i have experienced is the 22000's are faster accelerating between stops and can also stop better so they can get from stop to stop a lot faster than the mark4's so the 22000 arrives minutes before the mark4 at the stations, this time delay builds up at every station until the mark4's are running up to 30 minutes behind the 22000's and as we all know the mark4 if they can cut out the last stop at Kildare and when other trains are kept well out of the way can usually make up a lot of time on the run into Heuston but with the 4track section finished so can the 22000's. what this means now is that the timings for the mark4 seem perfectly tailored to the 22000 sets even with 3-4 extra stops!
Train paths and speeds have been explained to you several times yet you still have no idea what you are on about. It's easy to see why people have you on ignore as you make little sense and you never pay heed to what is pointed out to you; I am going to join them from hereon in
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" Where have I ever said that I worked for Irish Rail? "
The majority of your posts are in defence of Irish Rail which is itself ok but maybe you should think of declaring your interest here http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126578 lest anyone think you had some vested interest in the organisation.0 -
" Where have I ever said that I worked for Irish Rail? "
The majority of your posts are in defence of Irish Rail which is itself ok but maybe you should think of declaring your interest here http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126578 lest anyone think you had some vested interest in the organisation.
Maybe, just maybe, he doesn't have problems with every. little. thing. that Irish Rail do.0 -
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