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So, our census form arrived today...

  • 13-03-2011 8:05pm
    #1
    chughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭


    I had a look down through the census form and I was bemused to see that under the question on ethnic or cultural background, Irish and Irish Traveller are two different categories.

    Given that this is a government document, I take it that it's official, Travellers and Settled People are different.

    Anyone else see any strange questions on the form?


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  • #2
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,727 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Post on Sunday? :eek:


  • #3
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    They act different .


  • #4
    pajor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭pajor


    Irish Traveller is a recognised ethnic minority in the UK, so they probably had to follow suit here.


  • #5
    thetonynator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    Midnight_EG wrote: »
    Post on Sunday? :eek:

    It's delivered by hand, not posted.


  • #6
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Midnight_EG wrote: »
    Post on Sunday? :eek:

    Mail on Sunday.:D


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  • #7
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,727 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    thetonynator wrote: »
    It's delivered by hand, not posted.

    So is the post? :pac:


  • #8
    thetonynator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    Midnight_EG wrote: »
    So is the post? :pac:

    Not by an post, by census workers. :rolleyes:


  • #9
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    pajor wrote: »
    Irish Traveller is a recognised ethnic minority in the UK, so they probably had to follow suit here.

    Possibly because they are Irish in another country?
    Here they are irish. Are irish people who live in bungalows a separate ethnic identity to those who live in flats?
    Im not having a go but i genuinely dont see how they are a different ethnicity and would like it explained


  • #10
    Iago
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Iago


    That's tame.

    Apparently you can only be Irish if you're white


  • #11
    chughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭chughes


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Possibly because they are Irish in another country?
    Here they are irish. Are irish people who live in bungalows a separate ethnic identity to those who live in flats?
    Im not having a go but i genuinely dont see how they are a different ethnicity and would like it explained

    GB, I'm with you on this one. I'd like it explained too.


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  • #12
    number10a
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭number10a


    Iago wrote: »
    That's tame.

    Apparently you can only be Irish if you're white

    It also says Black Irish and Asian Irish.


  • #13
    Iago
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Iago


    number10a wrote: »
    It also says Black Irish and Asian Irish.

    Why the differential though?

    meh, it just struck me as odd that it didn't follow the same format. Probably thinking too much about it!


  • #14
    thetonynator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    chughes wrote: »
    GB, I'm with you on this one. I'd like it explained too.

    AFAIK they get extra/different social welfare and better chance of social housing which is the only difference being part of this ''ethnic minority'' has.


  • #15
    Seren_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    thetonynator wrote: »
    AFAIK they get extra/different social welfare and better chance of social housing which is the only difference being part of this ''ethnic minority'' has.

    Pretty sure that's not true...

    And I imagine Irish Traveller is put as a different group on the census form so the government can get an idea how many there are in the country. As with the rest of the questions.


  • #16
    grrrrrrrrrr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 635 ✭✭✭grrrrrrrrrr


    In before the lock/move/ being told "theres already a census thread"


  • #17
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Your Text Here wrote: »
    Pretty sure that's not true...

    And I imagine Irish Traveller is put as a different group on the census form so the government can get an idea how many there are in the country. As with the rest of the questions.

    That makes sense and i see the need to know that info alright but I still dont see how they are ethnicly different. They are still Irish but simply choose to live nomadically (Actually thats not particularly true now).
    And their different culture makes them no different than someone from the islands or another county or rural familys....


  • #18
    chughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭chughes


    I didn't start this thread to have a go at travellers so I hope no one else does.

    I just wondered why travellers would be considered ethnically different. It doesn't make sense to me.


  • #19
    Ditch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Ditch


    Chughes; Sort of bouncing off ye own observation there .....

    I noticed how, this time, there's no opportunity to be 'Of British Traveller' descent. Just " Any Other White Background ".

    So, " Irish " is now fine. " Irish Traveller " is now fine. But, British Romani now gets lumped with other invisibles, like " American " and " Australian ". All in a great, brushed under the carpet melting pot of 'White People ~ Non Irish'.

    I find this interesting, if only because, last time round, non Irish Gypsys / Travellers were allowed to identify themselves.

    Wonder why they chose to lose that demography :confused:


  • #20
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    number10a wrote: »
    It also says Black Irish and Asian Irish.

    FFS,so I can't just put down Irish :(:(


  • #21
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    number10a wrote: »
    It also says Black Irish and Asian Irish.

    Why does it not say 'Black Irish and Yellow Irish' for consistency?


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  • #22
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    This thread is going downhill pretty fast.


  • #23
    karlog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭karlog


    chughes wrote: »
    Travellers and Settled People are different.

    Well this is true.


    I cant say why though for fear of being banned.


  • #24
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    This thread is going downhill pretty fast.

    I blame the census.


  • #25
    Asphyxia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Asphyxia


    I got a leaflet through my letter box today saying she will be calling to mine on Wednesday. I actually like the idea of the census ever since I started tracing my family history :) I learnt so much and was able to find most of my family through it so I'm actually happy about it.


  • #26
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Yes they have their own language that is different from our own, including their own way of life and strongly identify with Catholicism when many in the wider Irish society is walking away from it, or are on paper only.
    They act different and they are treated different. Maybe because they are different?

    Irish Traveller also is not seen as a seperate ethnic group, although some have been lobbying for it. But they are seen as a group in itself, and is one of the 9 grounds for which you cannot discriminate in this country.


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