Collecting a car in the UK tomorrow..

Benny Cake

As the title goes I'm heading to Birmingham tomorrow to collect a 2009 520d M-Sport.... Cant wait :D

I'm looking for some guidance on what exactly I need to be getting from the dealer in terms of paperwork.... I have a fair idea from reading numerous other threads but I just want to be 100% clear..

I'll post some pics and details when I get back tomorrow night....

Thanks,

K

(also want to thak ye all for yer contributions to the "definitive guide to importing from the UK thread", its a mine of information and really helped me make an informed decision!!)

CiniO

Registration certificate (or whatever is't called in UK) and invoice from garage for the car.
MOT certificate as well probably.
That's pretty much all you need with paperwork.

Owen

Most main BMW UK Dealers will post the book to you after their admin team has completed paperwork, so if you don't get the V5 on the day, don't worry.

D_Red_Army

D_Red_Army wrote: »

As the title goes I'm heading to Birmingham tomorrow to collect a 2009 520d M-Sport.... Cant wait :D

Just out of curiousity, have you seen or driven the car yet? Sounds very much like the deal is done regardless.

CiniO

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Most main BMW UK Dealers will post the book to you after their admin team has completed paperwork, so if you don't get the V5 on the day, don't worry.

I would insist on obtaining V5 straight away.
Every one who takes the car abroad is required to carry registration certificate with him while driving in foreign country.
OP is going to drive it back to Ireland, so he needs to carry V5 with him.

Benny Cake

RoverJames wrote: »

Just out of curiousity, have you seen or driven the car yet? Sounds very much like the deal is done regardless.

I have agreed a price but the money will not be released into their account until I am satisfied with the car. I'm buying from a BMW main dealer and they have been exellent to deal with.... They sent dozens of photos of the car as well as numerous shots of any minor scrapes or marks (nothing too serious, one tiny scrape on the boot with an even smaller mark on the passengers door handle).... There is a certain element of trust involved on my side but for their part the car has been taken off sale for the past ten days so its in their interest to make sure I dont get any surprises when I arrive.... So yes, I am effectively going over to collect the car but oi something is not right I can still walk away....

Benny Cake

Thanks lads,

So the checklist is is:

1.V5 Cert (I assume this is the registration cert?)
2. Invoice from the garage

Moanin

I presume you've done a HPI check yourself?
Most Main Dealers in UK will provide you with one also

Stevie Dakota

OP, your car will look like new as BMW approved are prepared to a very high standard. In fact it will look so good you may be tempted to give it just a cursory going over. Careful! Ask the saleperson to leave you alone with the car so you don't feel pressured and really take your time checking the car from top to bottom. Also take a good test drive, you'll be will pissed if halfway to the ferry you hear a clonking from the suspension or some other rogue noise.

But enjoy it, great fun and you'll be grinning all the way home.

Benny Cake

Moanin wrote: »

I presume you've done a HPI check yourself?
Most Main Dealers in UK will provide you with one also

I did a HPI check myself for peace of mind and it came up clear...

Benny Cake

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

OP, your car will look like new as BMW approved are prepared to a very high standard. In fact it will look so good you may be tempted to give it just a cursory going over. Careful! Ask the saleperson to leave you alone with the car so you don't feel pressured and really take your time checking the car from top to bottom. Also take a good test drive, you'll be will pissed if halfway to the ferry you hear a clonking from the suspension or some other rogue noise.

But enjoy it, great fun and you'll be grinning all the way home.

Good advice, I'll be like a kid on Christmas morning!!!
I owe it to myself to take a deeo breath and give the car a thorough, objective going over....

Stevie Dakota

Even if there is something amiss you will have at least 12 months warranty and BMW here will honour it no problem.

Mar4ix

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

........ you hear a clonking from the suspension or some other rogue noise.

For 08 bmw at bmw dealer ??? I dont think so. If mileage not over 30 k , car will be like new.

Mar4ix

Mar4ix wrote: »

For 08 bmw at bmw dealer ??? I dont think so. If mileage not over 30 k , car will be like new.

sorry ... 09

Henry Ford III

Best of luck with it OP, but I'd advise never to do a deal any other way than face to face, and only then after having actually driven the car.

If anything isn't 100% it'll be difficult if not impossible to renegotiate a reduced price, and the dealer also knows that you've travelled over specifically to buy that car.

Guy:Incognito

Mar4ix wrote: »

I dont think so. If mileage not over 30 k , car will be like new.

The car could have be driven off a high kerb 10 minutes after leaveing the dealers in 09 .

Blanket statements like that are just silly, yoou dont know what type of driving a car has done or what the cars been through before you buy it. Always check a car, regardless of age or mileage.

peaceboi

Hi Red army, congrats first of all!
Would you mind sharing the amount savings due to price diff. of not buying the same model from an Irish dealer? Thank u.

Mar4ix

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The car could have be driven off a high kerb 10 minutes after leaveing the dealers in 09 .

Blanket statements like that are just silly, yoou dont know what type of driving a car has done or what the cars been through before you buy it. Always check a car, regardless of age or mileage.

Agree... but I think from official bmw dealer youll get car in good condition ... less likelythey will rip off you, i wouldn buy such car from just a garage.

Marcusm

Don't forget to bring proof f identity and proof of address with youas the dealership will need o see these. If it's a 2009 car there will not be an MoT certificate. The UK doesn't use a logbooksystem like Ireland. The V5 is a printed certificate which also has tearoff sections which are completed and sent off when there is a change of ownership or an exportation if the car. The vendor is responsible for ensuring that the change of ownership is effected - they are incentivised to do this as otherwise they will remain liable for tax and any fines.

sincere113

D_Red_Army wrote: »

....There is a certain element of trust involved on my side but for their part the car has been taken off sale for the past ten days so its in their interest to make sure I dont get any surprises when I arrive...

Not meaning to be a kill joy but why would a dealer take a car off the market and rely on someone coming over from Ireland to buy it.... Doesn't really happen if you ask me - unless somethings not quite right.

I bought a car up North a couple of years ago and they wouldn't hold it for me. They said if someone else came for that particular car and wanted to buy it then they would sell it to someone else. But they did tell me that when I planned on setting off from home to give them a call and ask if they still had it......

Benny Cake

sincere113 wrote: »

Not meaning to be a kill joy but why would a dealer take a car off the market and rely on someone coming over from Ireland to buy it.... Doesn't really happen if you ask me - unless somethings not quite right.

I bought a car up North a couple of years ago and they wouldn't hold it for me. They said if someone else came for that particular car and wanted to buy it then they would sell it to someone else. But they did tell me that when I planned on setting off from home to give them a call and ask if they still had it......

I had to put down a deposit to hold the car, standard enough tbh.....

sincere113

Best of luck OP, well wear.

Owen

CiniO wrote: »

I would insist on obtaining V5 straight away.
Every one who takes the car abroad is required to carry registration certificate with him while driving in foreign country.
OP is going to drive it back to Ireland, so he needs to carry V5 with him.

Unfortunately, it never works that way really. I've tried explaining that ad nauseum to a few Dealers when brokering deals for myself, and a few friends, and they always hang onto the V5 for a day or two so it can do the rounds between the various departments, and then they 24 hr royalmail it to the new owners here in Ireland. It's not right, it's not making life any easier, but it's the way a lot of the main Dealers do it. You'll have a printed sales form from Kerridge (Their CRM and sales software) which will cover your ass in the event of being stopped and asked.

CarMuppet

Make sure the car has valid tax otherwise you won't make it as far as the ferry.

You'll want the V5 document and ask for ALL of the V5 from the dealer.

Enjoy the trip, it's a good road trip. :cool:

Stevie Dakota

CarMuppet wrote: »

Make sure the car has valid tax otherwise you won't make it as far as the ferry.

Brought in a few cars from the UK, none taxed, never stopped. Manchester to Holyhead, I'd risk it.

Marcusm

CarMuppet wrote: »

Make sure the car has valid tax otherwise you won't make it as far as the ferry.

You'll want the V5 document and ask for ALL of the V5 from the dealer.

Enjoy the trip, it's a good road trip. :cool:

None of them should provide you with the V5 as it should go to DVLA. If the car's being exported then this deals with motor tax.

Owen

The V5 doesn't go to the DVLA for export. Only a small portion of it does.

delly

My brother brought a '10 reg 520 last year from Sytner Sheffield, we were in a rush for the ferry so my bro just wanted to get moving. The sales guy wanted to show him a whole host of features and was gobsmacked when he told him he just wanted the key and go. He had a big bunch of flowers and the car was in a roped off area, 'twas funny to see.

corktina

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Most main BMW UK Dealers will post the book to you after their admin team has completed paperwork, so if you don't get the V5 on the day, don't worry.

you need to get that V5C in your hand with the car. If they wont give it to you, dont pay up. You cant re-reg it without it and you only have a limited time to complete the registration. Refer them to the DVLA website which states quite clearly that the V5C should be handed to an exporting buyer complete and NOT sent off with new details on it (you CANNOT re-reg aUK car to a foreign address.

Our man in Havana

You will be amazed at the amount of UK dealers that will write in your Irish address and attempt to post it off to the DVLA. "Only following orders, Guv!"

veetwin

Best of luck OP. I did the same myself last year and got a great deal and great service from a main BMW dealer in Crewe. Car will be presented as new as it should be from a main dealer. They will be well familiar with the export procedure. The salesman I dealt with said he was selling a car a week to Irish at the time.

I drove mine without tax to Holyhead without a problem. If I was stopped I had the invoice from the dealer, The V5 doc and a ticket for the ferry. It would have taken some pr**k of a policeman to take the car off me.

Just be sure to have your insurance details to hand if you haven't arranged to transfer the insurance over already. I arranged it the day before.

Also be prepared for quiet a long handover procedure. The saleman should take you through all the controls and idrive system and will probably help you set up your phone on the bluetooth. He also programmed the sat nav for the journey home.

Enjoy it. Its a nice day out!

CiniO

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Unfortunately, it never works that way really. I've tried explaining that ad nauseum to a few Dealers when brokering deals for myself, and a few friends, and they always hang onto the V5 for a day or two so it can do the rounds between the various departments, and then they 24 hr royalmail it to the new owners here in Ireland. It's not right, it's not making life any easier, but it's the way a lot of the main Dealers do it. You'll have a printed sales form from Kerridge (Their CRM and sales software) which will cover your ass in the event of being stopped and asked.

That's nonsense.
I wouldn't buy a vehicle from a dealer that can't do the paperwork properly.
When you buy a vehicle abroad you need to get registration certificate in your hands.
You need it for two reasons.
1. You need it to be allowed to drive a car abroad (here abroad means outside UK).
2. You need it to register a car in your home couuntry (here Ireland).

But the same rules apply in every other EU country.


That's a quote from official UK government website (*.gov.uk)

What to do if you are selling your vehicle privately to someone
who does not have a GB address
You should fill in sections 6 and 10 with the new keeper’s name and address.
Both you and the new keeper (buyer) must sign and date the declaration in
section 8. Give the whole V5C to the new keeper to aid registration abroad.
You should then send a signed letter to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AG giving
the vehicle’s registration number, the make and model of the vehicle, the
date of sale or transfer, and the name and address of the new keeper.
Once we know about the change of keeper, you should receive an
acknowledgement letter to confirm that you are no longer responsible for
the vehicle. If you do not receive the letter within 4 weeks, please phone
0300 790 6802. If you are deaf or hard of hearing and have access
to a textphone, phone 0300 123 1279 (this number will not respond to
ordinary phones).

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_065264.pdf


Here's the quote from wikipedia which explains what are the obligations from Vienna convention about road traffic from 1968 which was ratified by lots of countries, including all EU countries.

One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(...)
The driver must carry the vehicle's registration certificate, and if the vehicle is not registered in the name of an occupant of the vehicle (for example a hire car), proof of the driver's right to be in possession of the vehicle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traffic

So here he needs registration certificate V5C and invoice from garage stating he just bought the car, as reg cert won't be in his name.

Without above paperwork I wouldn't buy a car abroad, as I wouldn't really be road legal without it, not mentioning huge problems to register it in the state.

Benny Cake

Cheers Cinio, that file you linked to is fairly clear about it all right, I'll print it off and have it with me to be sure....

Thanks again folks for all the responses..

slimjimmc

Marcusm wrote: »

Don't forget to bring proof f identity and proof of address with youas the dealership will need o see these. If it's a 2009 car there will not be an MoT certificate. The UK doesn't use a logbooksystem like Ireland. The V5 is a printed certificate which also has tearoff sections which are completed and sent off when there is a change of ownership or an exportation if the car. The vendor is responsible for ensuring that the change of ownership is effected - they are incentivised to do this as otherwise they will remain liable for tax and any fines.

The old brown logbook died a death here on 31/12/1992, since then all registration documents consist of printed certificates.
Lots of luck with your "ultimate driving machine" OP.

corktina

PaintDoctor wrote: »

The V5 doesn't go to the DVLA for export. Only a small portion of it does.

thats still not right. The small portion is for the registered owner exporting a car THEMSELVES. The entire V5C should be handed to the purchaser...its all on the DVLA website.

Owen

Cinio, how many BMW's have you bought from main Dealers in the UK? I know the system isn't exactly suited to the consumer, but that's how it works over there with all of the ones I've dealt with. I'm not exactly making it up, I'm just letting the OP know it might happen with their Dealer too, and if it does, not to panic regardless of what people here seem to think about having a hissy fit and walking away from the Deal.

@Corktina - +1, Sorry, you're spot on.

CiniO

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Cinio, how many BMW's have you bought from main Dealers in the UK? I know the system isn't exactly suited to the consumer, but that's how it works over there with all of the ones I've dealt with. I'm not exactly making it up, I'm just letting the OP know it might happen with their Dealer too, and if it does, not to panic regardless of what people here seem to think about having a hissy fit and walking away from the Deal.

@Corktina - +1, Sorry, you're spot on.

I treat it as a rhetorical question...

The only reason this actually can work, is that Irish guards are not really aware that every driver of foreign registered vehicle needs to have registration certificate with him while driving. That's why there's no problem with this in Ireland.
But if you drove UK registered car without carrying registration certificate in France, Germany, etc, you could have some serious problems including impounding the car.
Additionally it's going to cause serious problems with registering car here in Ireland.

Instead of just accepting UK's BMW dealer practices, it's better to give them a ring first and tell they that you expect them to hand you V5 as that are the rules while selling a car to foreign person for export.

-Corkie-

Best of luck with the new car OP but take a word of advice and drive handy going back to the boat.

Myself and 2 other lads went over last year to collect the mates car. Anyway the cops caught us outside bangor doing over 100MPH. They gave us a savage bashing and then they came to the conclusion we had no insurance and they took the car off us.

We had to hire a car transporter to take the car to Holyhead over him which cost 300 quid.

CiniO

[QUOTE=-Corkie-;71118482 They gave us a savage bashing and then they came to the conclusion we had no insurance and they took the car off us.
[/QUOTE]

How did they came to to that conclusion?
Did you have any proof you actually had insurance?

copacetic

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Unfortunately, it never works that way really. I've tried explaining that ad nauseum to a few Dealers when brokering deals for myself, and a few friends, and they always hang onto the V5 for a day or two so it can do the rounds between the various departments, and then they 24 hr royalmail it to the new owners here in Ireland. It's not right, it's not making life any easier, but it's the way a lot of the main Dealers do it. You'll have a printed sales form from Kerridge (Their CRM and sales software) which will cover your ass in the event of being stopped and asked.

don't agree with that at all, I got a car from a birmingham main bmw dealer myself a couple of years back with none of the above malarky.

Owen

And I got a car from a BMW Dealer a few years back with none of that malarky either. But in the last 2 years the three Dealers I've dealt with all have followed the holding onto the V5 for a few days.

Again - I'm not agreeing with it. I don't like it either, but it's the procedure a lot of them are following, and I'm just warning the OP.

@Cinio - Do you think I didn't try that? Jaka skoda ...

copacetic

PaintDoctor wrote: »

And I got a car from a BMW Dealer a few years back with none of that malarky either. But in the last 2 years the three Dealers I've dealt with all have followed the holding onto the V5 for a few days.

couple = 2 years, not a few years.

Owen

Jeez - is boards really gone this nitpicky? I'll hold off trying to give helpful advice based on being in a similar situation to the OP in future. :rolleyes:

copacetic

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Jeez - is boards really gone this nitpicky? I'll hold off trying to give helpful advice based on being in a similar situation to the OP in future. :rolleyes:

Might be a good idea if you can't handle people with direct experience giving their own opinions without having a hissy fit.

Harcrid

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Jeez - is boards really gone this nitpicky?

It's looking like it is. Now you have people telling you that your personal experiences are wrong.

Paintdocotrs only telling the OP what happened to him folks so give him a break.

corktina

copacetic wrote: »

couple = 2 years, not a few years.

in Cork "couple" is FREQUENTLY used to indicate " a few".... Ive often asked for a "couple of apples" in a shop and been asked" how many will i give you, 3? 4? " Odd but true, catches me on the hop every time.

dolby

Best of luck OP, would love to know what your paying?:D

Stevie Dakota

So how did it go?