Another Railway Forum Starting Up

steamengine

I've just had a quick glance through this forum, not too sure of the extent of its brief, but it appears interesting and you don't have to jump through hoops to subscribe !!!

http://www.irishrailwayandmodelforum.com/forum/

Lapin

steamengine wrote: »

I've just had a quick glance through this forum, not too sure of the extent of its brief, but it appears interesting and you don't have to jump through hoops to subscribe !!!

http://www.irishrailwayandmodelforum.com/forum/

Piece of cake really.
Took me less than a minute.

Seems like a discussion board for those with a particular interest in models and history of Irish railways.

I like the forums dedicated to the different old railway companies. Should be interesting when it picks up.

Best of luck to those behind it.

Cookie_Monster

as if there weren't enough already, I don't see there really being the demand out there to sustain so many to a volume level enough to keep it interesting. PLus it nasty looking and far too many forums with nothing in them, split to deeply to retain volume posting I think

the one in my sig replaced the older yuku site and MRSI also has its own forum too and all the other yuku site for the real stuff. Not to mention RMWeb and MRF. (and the models forum here)

Also check out this site: http://irishrailwaymodels.info/
A comprehensive list of Irish modelling

Judgement Day

Cookie Monster - I'm afraid you're right and I suspect that this new one will fail as there's already plenty of model forums, IRN for serious dribblers and Railusers Ireland for the rest.

steamengine

Judgement Day wrote: »

Cookie Monster - I'm afraid you're right and I suspect that this new one will fail as there's already plenty of model forums, IRN for serious dribblers and Railusers Ireland for the rest.

I keep reading at reasonably regular intervals here on boards that IRN is difficult to subscribe to, and has a low tolerance level to posters critical of real-time railway matters. More open forums like 'boards' and possibly this new one are to be welcomed IMO. Let's see how it goes, or doesn't, as the case may be - in the absence of a heritage rail forum here, I wish it well !!!

corktina

whats needed is a Boards Railway Heritage forum. We have requested one ages ago and been ignored

steamengine

corktina wrote: »

whats needed is a Boards Railway Heritage forum. We have requested one ages ago and been ignored

Or as a sub-forum off C&T maybe. This thread is suitable to kick it about and see if there is sufficient interest in a heritage forum/sub-forum amongst the 'boards' rail community. GBR - 'Great Boardean Railway' perhaps - another thought !
BTW the original request is still on Forum Requests-page 4, ready for a bump perhaps ???

kingstapler

How is it that you join this new forum. Doesnt look like there is a lot of things on it at the moment but I could give it a try, I wonder would there be many from Waterford on it. Therell be a good choice of forums to watch. This one and the Railway News one (cant get it to join me though) are always good for a good debate about the failings and doings on Irish Rail, this one seems more historical but maybe therell be a bit of history about the railways of Waterford.

steamengine

kingstapler wrote: »

How is it that you join this new forum. Doesnt look like there is a lot of things on it at the moment but I could give it a try, I wonder would there be many from Waterford on it. Therell be a good choice of forums to watch. This one and the Railway News one (cant get it to join me though) are always good for a good debate about the failings and doings on Irish Rail, this one seems more historical but maybe therell be a bit of history about the railways of Waterford.

You click on the link above then go to 'register' on the home page. As the forum is just starting up, there won't be much on it until posters subscribe.

steamengine

corktina wrote: »

whats needed is a Boards Railway Heritage forum. We have requested one ages ago and been ignored

+1....... A Boards Railway Forum to include heritage and general enthusiast issues. For example C&T covers air travel consumer issues, but you don't see posts about various aircraft types because there is an aircraft and aviation forum to cover that. Whether it's called Railway Heritage, Enthusiast, or Whatever, is IMO secondary to the request for a specific rail forum being viewed favourably. Anyway the discussion can be continued in Forum Requests, for those who hopefully are interested in a railway forum. The original request has been bumped by 'yours truly' !!!

trellheim

Surely perhaps an Infrastructure heritage (Cover canals, tunnels, ports, old roads, bridges,dams. railways ). ( it would sit neatly under Infrastructure because for sure C&T is for current issues )

steamengine

Out of C&T, agreed there !!! but the proposed forum should cater for heritage and railfan interests and be 'railway' specific - in the forum title too.

OurLadyofKnock

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Also check out this site: http://irishrailwaymodels.info/
A comprehensive list of Irish modelling

"12 Ton Midland Wagon". Mary O'Rourke?

DWCommuter

Let the enthusiasts have their own forum on Boards. Then they will see that its just as quiet as IRN, when people of a different view don't have to read it and won't want to discuss mundane topics. It is very obvious that enthusiasts of a particular stance have littered this forum with specific material that is alien to those interested in the more important/relevant parts of rail transport. It causes unnecessary arguments. Its a new thing and I can only credit that to the possibility that the more liberal and visionary are long sinced banned from IRN and therefore it has become a place of no real and interesting debate.

The C&T forum really shouldn't be a place to discuss which loco is your favourite. Therefore I'm all in favour of a dedicated trainspotters forum. If it discusses heritage, I'll gladly contribute, but C & T should be about the day to day and future prospects of the rail network. Banger locos and photos that do no more than provide **** material to those interested, should be kept separate. In all fairness just look at this post from another thread.

Great pictures Rud I think I just came

That quote was a direct reference to experiencing an orgasm as a result of looking at pictures of trains. Light hearted it may be, but come on, it makes this forum look like its full of seriously ****ed up people. Personally I don't care as its up to boards.ie to dictate its public perception and on that basis they should decide if a trainspotters forum is justified, because the standard of debate is vastly different.

Trainspotters in one engine shed and the rest of us in C & T.:D

corktina

and some of us in botth...wholeheartedly agree

steamengine

A straightforward Railway Forum would have been my first preference, just like Aviation and Aircraft which has a designated Spotters thread, apparently without any problems. While I don't frequent that forum, I don't see many, if any, locked threads due to the sort of inane controversies that pop up in C&T rail threads.

However, it would appear from the foregoing posts, there is cross 'poster' consensus for a 'Rail Heritage/Rail Fan Forum' to cover non-serious recreational rail issues, and that is to be welcomed. Whether Boards accede to the request is another matter - I hope they do !!! :)

Losty Dublin

steamengine wrote: »

A straightforward Railway Forum would have been my first preference, just like Aviation and Aircraft which has a designated Spotters thread, apparently without any problems. While I don't frequent that forum, I don't see many, if any, locked threads due to the sort of inane controversies that pop up in C&T rail threads.

To be honest, the majority of the railway related locked threads on C+T boil down to a few people who, lets be honest, are infamous for it and are happy to use here as a home for their bashing of whomever they bear grudges with, tempers flare up and poor Vic and Chris end up being the boo boys. IRN actually had the same problems in the past and have ended up as being heavily moderated; not good for flowing debates but it's a case of needs must if it's to remain a clean board. If we have a seperate railway heritage forum, the chances are quite high that the same old stories of lockings and inpfractions will move to there if the same posters follow over to it. Once the talk and debate avoids these flash points we enjoy quite a good level of debate on here with these knowledgable posters.

trellheim

I propose ( notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders ) that we establish, therefore, a Railway Heritage forum under Soc/History and Heritage.

Would sit beside Genealogy.

How do we go about turning this into a proper forum creation request ?

steamengine

trellheim wrote: »

I propose ( notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders ) that we establish, therefore, a Railway Heritage forum under Soc/History and Heritage.

Would sit beside Genealogy.

How do we go about turning this into a proper forum creation request ?

There is an existing request in Forum Requests to which there has been no response to date. Your idea is a good one though and I don't know whether 'telepathy' is at work here or not, but there is currently a heritage railway thread running over there at the moment !!! IMO it now looks like Heritage or Enthusiast threads will continue to be based over there, or here, for the forseeable future. Apparently there is a hold on all new forum requests. !!!;)

I agree that C&T isn't the place to discuss enthusiast related topics and would wholeheartedly support a rail forum. Heck I'd even offer to moderate the thing, I wouldn't take any grief in there.

I'd consider myself an enthusiast but a fairly tame one. I don't log workings or anything like that. There's no shame in it either, someone might look at you strangely in a station or whatever but you're not hurting anyone. I guess part of the interest stems from the fact I love travelling.

dermo88

Losty Dublin

To be honest, the majority of the railway related locked threads on C+T boil down to a few people who, lets be honest, are infamous for it and are happy to use here as a home for their bashing of whomever they bear grudges with, tempers flare up and poor Vic and Chris end up being the boo boys. IRN actually had the same problems in the past and have ended up as being heavily moderated

-

Thats your opinion, your entitled to it. IRN's problem are moderators who are biased and interpret rules to suit their own agenda. Particularly one.....

These include:

Do not question the Western Rail Corridor
Do not question the Western Rail Corridor

and

Do not question the Western Rail Corridor.

And you bloody well better know it.

They also include allowing slanderous allegations being made. They can't handle informed opinion. Thats not even heavy moderation. Its censorship

And you bloody well know it.

So please....spare the sympathy. They could'nt manage a pissup in a brewery.

And you bloody well know it.

Transportuser09

To be fair, I don't see what is meant by the IRN site not allowing criticism of the WRC. Flicking through the threads there I can't find any examples of posters being told off for criticising it, some of the issues raised seem similar to the ones here, the need for a better timetable, Bus Éireann outperforming IÉ, etc.

DWCommuter

Cheers Dermo, you saved me the trouble. But I fear the aforementioned, "Poor Vic and Chris" comment from Losty will carry more weight around these parts.:D

dermo88

The problems that lead to heavy moderation on IRN were not the posters. It was an Iarnrod Eireann employee being made redundant. He made a rake of slanderous allegations on the forum using multiple accounts.

This was tolerated at the time. Its well documented. It took place back between May and August 2007.

So I suggest sparing the sympathy and trying to suck up to discredit posters. The people who are here are banned because their opinions were not tolerated. There was a complete inability to accept facts, accept logic and accept reality.

Instead the moderators and some posters lived in a fantasy world where nobody used cars, and the lords, ladies and lassies used trains only.

Anyone who spoke sense got kicked off. Mind, in many cases, it was HOW the message was sent. There was the split between Irishrailwaynews and Platform11, now railusers.ie. Again, the posters for Platform11 were

wait.....

Given free poultry meals?

No

Given a bovine salad buffet?

No

Banned?

Yes......congratulations, third time lucky laddie.......hammer nail head, and please send your answers on a postcard to a branchline near you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next weeks prize, one week standing on a level crossing in Tuam. Poultry choking is optional.

Transportuser09

But why this constant obsession with a certain type of meal? This seemed to originate with meal choices available on certain rail outings, at the end of the day this has much relevance to the real issues (development or otherwise of the rail network) as the type of drink available from the snack trolley. It doesn't add to any discussion bar bring it off topic.

Rud

A rail forum is well over due on Boards,i mean when there can be a whole forum devoted to
mustard
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=457

or burlesque
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1290,

surely then there can be room for trains also?I must admit the only reason i go near C&T is to check out any rail related threads and i find them highly interesting and at times,informative but most of all it's great to hear peoples opinions whether i agree with them or not.


Oh and i seen my name mentioned in an earlier post,well i didn't mean to make anyone come .I just put up the pics to show what state, some of the last remaining locos in Ireland,are in

westtip

Derek well done, just put the tissues away - crying with laughter before anyone starts.

Judgement Day

westtip wrote: »

Derek well done, just put the tissues away - crying with laughter before anyone starts.

Feck off back to your Dublin/Sligo Greenway Forum.

highlydebased

There's an aviation forum, so, don't see why there cant be a railway forum...

Losty Dublin

dermo88 wrote: »

Thats your opinion, your entitled to it. IRN's problem are moderators who are biased and interpret rules to suit their own agenda. Particularly one.....

These include:

Do not question the Western Rail Corridor
Do not question the Western Rail Corridor

and

Do not question the Western Rail Corridor.

And you bloody well better know it.

They also include allowing slanderous allegations being made. They can't handle informed opinion. Thats not even heavy moderation. Its censorship

And you bloody well know it.

So please....spare the sympathy. They could'nt manage a pissup in a brewery.

And you bloody well know it.

Dermot, I am not talking about how anybody should or shouldn't moderate their board nor what direction any board should taken. What I talking about about here is that those who have been banned or have cause hassle on other rail forums (or here) could well continue to cause hassle on any new forum they care to join up on, none of which ever is their fault but that of the moderators of same. There is, after all, a lot of innocent men in prison, you know

DWCommuter

Transportuser09 wrote: »

To be fair, I don't see what is meant by the IRN site not allowing criticism of the WRC. Flicking through the threads there I can't find any examples of posters being told off for criticising it, some of the issues raised seem similar to the ones here, the need for a better timetable, Bus Éireann outperforming IÉ, etc.

There is somewhat of an irony here. Much of the criticism that is currently being levelled at the WRC on IRN, is the same kind of criticism that appeared in 2003/4 and lead to bans. Now that it has been built and is a long way from the success many claimed it would be, IRN have no choice, but to accept the inevitable.

A lot of what is discussed on IRN now, such as the threat from Motorways etc. was discussed many years ago and frowned upon. But of course now that the reality of it has come to pass, its only to be expected that some of us are delighted to point out the error of their ways. There's two sides to every story.

foggy_lad

DWCommuter wrote: »

There is somewhat of an irony here. Much of the criticism that is currently being levelled at the WRC on IRN, is the same kind of criticism that appeared in 2003/4 and lead to bans. Now that it has been built and is a long way from the success many claimed it would be, IRN have no choice, but to accept the inevitable.

A lot of what is discussed on IRN now, such as the threat from Motorways etc. was discussed many years ago and frowned upon. But of course now that the reality of it has come to pass, its only to be expected that some of us are delighted to point out the error of their ways. There's two sides to every story.

Afaik I am banned from IRN since I attempted to join a discussion about the western rail corridor, my registration was not accepted for some reason and I feel it was because I used the same username as I have here and whoever is responsible for accepting registrations on their forums was possibly not happy with my posts here which were critical of Irish Rail.

corktina

foggy_lad wrote: »

Afaik I am banned from IRN since I attempted to join a discussion about the western rail corridor, my registration was not accepted for some reason and I feel it was because I used the same username as I have here and whoever is responsible for accepting registrations on their forums was possibly not happy with my posts here which were critical of Irish Rail.

i had more or less the same experiance....

westtip

foggy_lad wrote: »

Afaik I am banned from IRN since I attempted to join a discussion about the western rail corridor, my registration was not accepted for some reason and I feel it was because I used the same username as I have here and whoever is responsible for accepting registrations on their forums was possibly not happy with my posts here which were critical of Irish Rail.

I got on as a user ages ago but once I made a few comments about the WRC they threw me off and removed the posts, they living in a tiny little world of their own with their notebooks, ginger beer, chicken dinners and anoraks.

DWCommuter

westtip wrote: »

I got on as a user ages ago but once I made a few comments about the WRC they threw me off and removed the posts, they living in a tiny little world of their own with their notebooks, ginger beer, chicken dinners and anoraks.

But one must remember that this is the same forum that will dictate the do's and don'ts of railway safety while blatantly ignoring them on a jolly boys outing. But of course they know more than the ordinary Joe Public rail customer.:rolleyes:

From experience, enthusiasts draw much criticism upon themselves. It is hardly credible for a forum like IRN to claim to be an "informed" resource for railway matters, while it languishes in a vacuum of ignorance, censorship and the past.

dermo88

Satire and joking aside, I think its time I was a bit more courteous to those I disagree with. I mean, I'd rather not have names blanked out because they were treated like swearwords. If you mentioned Platform11, Derek Wheeler or Mark Gleeson on Irishrailwaynews, it became #$%&^* which is reflective of their tolerance of dissenting voices.

Personally, I can have a very sarcastic writing style from time to time. Some would regard that as "telling it as it is", others may be more accurate in describing it as plain rude.

Enthusiasts are fine, once they know their role and their place. They have an understanding of how the railway works, but there is a risk that a high proportion, given the chance to get involved in operational matters would retain several kinds of expensive, non standard rolling stock for the novelty and variety value.

There are others who know the reality, and that change, modernisation, progress, is a constant in human existence. It is the greatest tradition of them all.

The recent warnings by Chris in terms of conduct, I will state that I have my reservations and my objections on the censorship aspect, but it is indicative of a need to improve my conduct, whatever about the others.

Some of us are vocal in our criticism of Iarnrod Eireann and CIE. The question is, what replaces that. There is specialised knowledge and experience in their amongst the engineers and operators we have to accept that. We have to pay a compliment to them for keeping the country functioning to an extent during the brutal winters of the last two years.

I need to be less vocal personally, in criticising the likes of the IRRS. It may be a CIE love in, but its role is to record, not interfere. It can do little to prevent closures or cutbacks. If they want to have a last train special, they are entitled to do so. The objections being made against that, and the mockery of it, are because it seems to be a cynical indifference to the potential future of a service, and an excessive regard for its past.

Ultimately, the posters here have a common interest and a common desire. Things have to be better. Wise words enlighten, the poisoned pen embitters, and we won't attract bees with vinegar. The message can be the same, its how its transmitted and its style that needs to change.

Judgement Day

dermo88 - Are you sure you wrote that and your a/c hasn't been hacked by a mod? If you did, it must surely have been done at gunpoint. Unlike you I'm not prepared to give in to censorship and think that I'm just about done on several forums here - as I'm sure my many detractors will be sorry to hear.

dermo88

No, I definitely wrote it. Sometimes I play devils advocate, and thats just one of those occasions.

steamengine

The new railway forum, Train & Rail Systems which has recently, and kindly, been approved by Boards is open for posting.

Link removed

steamengine

steamengine wrote: »

The new railway forum which has recently, and kindly, been approved by Boards now appears to be open for posting.

Link

I spotted it a few days ago but thought I'd wait until it officially appeared before posting anything.

steamengine

Karsini wrote: »

I spotted it a few days ago but thought I'd wait until it officially appeared before posting anything.

Oh dear !!! probably get my wrist slapped so !!!

DWCommuter

BYE BYE!

weehamster

Well It about bloody time. I love to know why it took so long?

Anyway I hope think forum can return back to talking about issues that effect ordinary everyday commuters and not about people who love their trains greasy and dirty.

Niles

I presume it's still ok to discuss issues like timetable improvements (or lack of!) on the C&T board, my interest in that is more from a passenger pov than an enthusiast one.

corktina

GOOD NEWS...IM OUT IM GONE...(be back soon though)

Cookie_Monster

steamengine wrote: »

The new railway forum which has recently, and kindly, been approved by Boards now appears to be open for posting.

Link

how come it can't be seen:

as a link from this forum
on the forum drop down menu
in your list of followed forums


(is it super sekrit?)

steamengine

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

how come it can't be seen:

as a link from this forum
on the forum drop down menu
in your list of followed forums


(is it super sekrit?)

It's on the drop down menu ok, Boards.ie - New Forums - Train & Rail Systems.