Media blackout?

Uncorruptable

Has it already begun?

I read on a Socialist website a while back, an observation from outside Ireland, on the amount of coverage the United Left Alliance was able to take advantage of in the run up to the election was simply in order to give the equasion of the austerity being inflicted a balance with the people somehow seeing an alternative to the consensus domestically & within the EU leadership.

The observation went on to say that it predicted once the election was done & dusted that the plug would be pulled on how much air time the United Left Alliance would get.

Yesterday we seen one of the most impassioned from the heart speeches joe higgins has ever given & also Richard Boyd Barret making a powerful first speech to the entire nation.

Did you see or hear it on any of the media outlets after the live coverage?
Not on 6-1 news, TV3 news, Nuacht, Newstalk, etc etc.

The blackout i fear has begun to try & quell the progress of the United Left Alliance & what is more alarming is that the voice of Thousands of Irish men & women from their constituencies is being gagged.

I have the live session recorded & will circulate Joe & Richards speeches in the next few days.

Sully

Richie was on Vincent Brown last night and they covered the various speeches while vinny asked why they just opposed and gave no solutions.

Their live speeches were all broadcast live on the RTE News Special and discussed.

Uncorruptable

Sully wrote: »

Richie was on Vincent Brown last night and they covered the various speeches while vinny asked why they just opposed and gave no solutions.

Their live speeches were all broadcast live on the RTE News Special and discussed.

Ok sorry i missed that but,

Joe Higgins, Richard Boyd Barret, Luke Flanagan, Pearse Doherty, Mick Wallace, Seamus Healy all hit the nail on the head with the truth of where we are & need to go & Martins waffle about endas wife got more coverage.

I mean endas waffle in comparison to the hard to swallow facts were embarrasing,

'The hibernian nights in the west.......let us turn to face the sun.......let us hang out our brightest colours'

Please give me a break, this kind of scripted cráp is for obama's elections.

So you've moved onto a new complaint about valedictory speeches now that your original complaint about censorship is shown to be a symptom of you not watching television enough to see it's untrue ?

Uncorruptable

Deleted User wrote: »

So you've moved onto a new complaint about valedictory speeches now that your original complaint about censorship is shown to be a symptom of you not watching television enough to see it's untrue ?

See part in bold,

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Joe Higgins, Richard Boyd Barret, Luke Flanagan, Pearse Doherty, Mick Wallace, Seamus Healy all hit the nail on the head with the truth of where we are & need to go & Martins waffle about endas wife got more coverage.

seamus

Martin is the leader of the primary opposition party. All of the rest are just fringe indepedents.

Regardless of what they say, the bigger parties will always get more airtime, especially when it's the first day of the Dáil and the new independents are just making their voices heard rather than offering anything constructive - after all, it's a new government, what is there to criticise?

If/when these people start offering cutting and accurate criticism of the new government's actions and policies, then they will get the airtime they deserve.

Uncorruptable

seamus wrote: »

Martin is the leader of the primary opposition party. All of the rest are just fringe indepedents.

Regardless of what they say, the bigger parties will always get more airtime, especially when it's the first day of the Dáil and the new independents are just making their voices heard rather than offering anything constructive - after all, it's a new government, what is there to criticise?

If/when these people start offering cutting and accurate criticism of the new government's actions and policies, then they will get the airtime they deserve.

How silly of me, i had always presumed journalism was to report for the benefit of the people the facts that are most relevant & poignant that will affect them.

Obviously Martins observations on endas wife being their former press officer was more important to report than any of what Higgins, Barret, Wallace, Flanagan, Doherty, Adams said.

The time of rigid, stuffy protocol is finished, the majority of the people dont give a damn what Martin, his disgraced & discredited party have to say even if they did return 20 seats. If he had said something of real relevance to the people you may have some authority to post what you did above.

seamus

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Obviously Martins observations on endas wife being their former press officer was more important to report than any of what Higgins, Barret, Wallace, Flanagan, Doherty, Adams said.

It was all posturing and hot air in the Dail yesterday. Nobody said anything of any material use.

Uncorruptable

seamus wrote: »

It was all posturing and hot air in the Dail yesterday. Nobody said anything of any material use.

I Disagree.

Sully

Uncorruptable wrote: »

How silly of me, i had always presumed journalism was to report for the benefit of the people the facts that are most relevant & poignant that will affect them.

Obviously Martins observations on endas wife being their former press officer was more important to report than any of what Higgins, Barret, Wallace, Flanagan, Doherty, Adams said.

The time of rigid, stuffy protocol is finished, the majority of the people dont give a damn what Martin, his disgraced & discredited party have to say even if they did return 20 seats. If he had said something of real relevance to the people you may have some authority to post what you did above.

Didn't you acknowledge you missed the reporting on the other speeches? The lefties speeches were covered by the media. The lefties got good coverage during the election also (I know, by law etc).

Of course Fianna Fail is going to get a lot of airtime. They were one of the largest parties in our state and were in government for a longtime. They got, effectively, wiped out in the election and are disliked by a lot of the republic. The smaller parties will also be given airtime but what Seamus said is right - nobody wants to read papers and news about the opposition knocking the government and not offering any alternatives.

The people rejected most of the ULA/Sinn Fein and other left based people in the election. They firstly elected Fine Gael in large numbers, then Labour, then Fianna Fail, then Sinn Fein and then the others in much smaller numbers. I really don't think perceived lack of press coverage or funding to put up posters will make a huge difference. The majority don't like the solutions offered by the left. Most people will research their parties and candidates through other non-media forms because the media don't always paint the right picture.

Sure Fine Gael were always blasted in the media, especially the Indo, and yet managed to get close to an overall majority? The whole FG/Labour possible pact during the campaign was slated - yet, thats what was decided by the electorate.

Look beyond the media and look at your campaigns faults. Therein lies your answers IMO.

Uncorruptable

Ahh here, the main strength of the FG campaign (and was FF's) was the use of fear through the media, Roll back to Lisbon 2 & we were fed a pile of shíte that unless we voted yes to Lisbon we would be hammered financially, employment wise & marginalised in europe.

That all happened anyway but it was the use of fear to get the vote.
The same is being used now to maintain the current set up until the INEVITABLE default (which will be dressed up as debt restructuring)

The fear being generated presently is what swung to FG in order to maintain the system for another 2 perhaps 3 years & in doing so earn the IMF & ECB a lot of money from all over europe before that.

Sully

Its been the case well before 'fear' and 'lisbon 2' that FF/FF/Labour were the three main parties. Even when he had lots of money. So I take it, according to your logic, most Irish people are a bit thick and voted based on what they heard on the media that without FG/FF or Labour we would be screwed? And the small % who voted left were the only sane people who saw beyond the media? Jesus, didn't know the media had that tight a hold on Ireland.

Just admit it - you can keep fighting and hoping, but there has not yet been a big call for a left wing crowd to get into government and run the country. I cant see the political system in Ireland changing for a longtime.

Uncorruptable

Sully wrote: »

Its been the case well before 'fear' and 'lisbon 2' that FF/FF/Labour were the three main parties. Even when he had lots of money. So I take it, according to your logic, most Irish people are a bit thick and voted based on what they heard on the media that without FG/FF or Labour we would be screwed? And the small % who voted left were the only sane people who saw beyond the media? Jesus, didn't know the media had that tight a hold on Ireland.

Just admit it - you can keep fighting and hoping, but there has not yet been a big call for a left wing crowd to get into government and run the country. I cant see the political system in Ireland changing for a longtime.

No, Irish people are not thick because they gather their information from the media, that is what the perception of the general population is about the media, that it is there to inform rather than the truth that it only gives the slant its editor is 'inclined' towards.

To use your logic, just because the power that is in control of a country & its media is returned again, the arguments on the opposition are not credible or actually more factually accurate because they currently dont have the support the ruling party have.

And you are a Mod!!!

Just because you start from a postion of power doesnt make your version correct or just for the masses.

Pepe LeFrits

Fight the power, Uncorruptable!

Uncorruptable

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Fight the power, Uncorruptable!

If that is intended to be genuine,

Thanks, & i will.

If that is intended to be sarcastic,

Thanks, & i will.

Sully

Uncorruptable wrote: »

No, Irish people are not thick because they gather their information from the media, that is what the perception of the general population is about the media, that it is there to inform rather than the truth that it only gives the slant its editor is 'inclined' towards.

So they are thick for other reasons? If the media isn't to blame for you loosing the election... what is?

And you are a Mod!!!

Yup. Your point?

Just because you start from a postion of power doesnt make your version correct or just for the masses.

Nobody ever said it did.

Oh and looking at todays Indo, there is coverage of the left in yesterdays Dail. Damn media!

Uncorruptable

Sully wrote: »

So they are thick for other reasons? If the media isn't to blame for you loosing the election... what is?

Yup. Your point?

Nobody ever said it did.

Its obvious now why you have 15000 posts.

Sully

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Its obvious now why you have 15000 posts.

It was always obvious why you only have less then 20. Giving up when the tough gets going eh!

Uncorruptable

Sully wrote: »

It was always obvious why you only have less then 20. !

ArmaniJeanss

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Yesterday we seen one of the most impassioned from the heart speeches joe higgins has ever given & also Richard Boyd Barret making a powerful first speech to the entire nation.

One persons 'impassioned plea from the heart' is another persons 'populist nonsense appealing to the lowest common denominator'.

RTE 9PM news gave 20/30 second snippets from the speeches of 4 members of the opposition, Michael Martin, Ming Flanagan, Mick Wallace and Caoimhin O'Caolain.
I'm not sure what more you expect, there are about 12 different shades of 'opposition' now from SP to FF to SF, and various right and left wing independents with slightly different viewpoints on various issues.

RTE can't give equal time to all their opinions unless they are willing to keep the 9oclock news going for 90 minutes every night.

Sully

Uncorruptable wrote: »

12 is less than 20 btw. This is why the people rejected the left, you cant even do the basic economy stuff!

PeakOutput

Uncorruptable wrote: »

the majority of the people dont give a damn what Martin, his disgraced & discredited party have to say even if they did return 20 seats. If he had said something of real relevance to the people you may have some authority to post what you did above.

well obviously more people care what he has to say then care about the ula because they got more seats by a huge number then the ula

also it is against the rules to discuss goverment policy during those speeches

PeakOutput

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Ahh here, the main strength of the FG campaign (and was FF's) was the use of fear through the media, Roll back to Lisbon 2 & we were fed a pile of shíte that unless we voted yes to Lisbon we would be hammered financially, employment wise & marginalised in europe.

That all happened anyway but it was the use of fear to get the vote.
The same is being used now to maintain the current set up until the INEVITABLE default (which will be dressed up as debt restructuring)

The fear being generated presently is what swung to FG in order to maintain the system for another 2 perhaps 3 years & in doing so earn the IMF & ECB a lot of money from all over europe before that.

clearly you have no respect for the electorate if you think they are that easily manipulated, there might be some truth to it but it would only affect a couple of seats imo the result would have been the same either way

Uncorruptable

Sully wrote: »

12 is less than 20 btw. This is why the people rejected the left, you cant even do the basic economy stuff!

Its the date that is circled.

Between The ULA, Sinn Fein, Independents & Labour the electorate have endorsed a left wing view in different degrees.

The next election will see that even further as this system grinds to a stop & then fails completley.

No doubt the spin & media will try & dress it up another way but the general population are beginning to see through the media, i have full respect for the electorate, it is a fact that most people dont see through the propaganda, that doesnt make them stupid more it shows how effective the media can be when disproportionatley weighted to one side.

The entire point of this thread, which i still hold to be accurate, is that the media is & has always been right leaning.

PeakOutput

Uncorruptable wrote: »

The next election will see that even further as this system grinds to a stop & then fails completley.

its always the next election that will bring big change, we just had an election, the public didnt want you

Uncorruptable

PeakOutput wrote: »

its always the next election that will bring big change, we just had an election, the public didnt want you

Thats why,

ULA have 5 seats
Sinn fein have 14
Various left leaning TD's

And Labour have 37 & just pis.sed all over the real left wing votes they got which will be redistributed next election.

My god there really isnt any constructive analysis around this forum.

PeakOutput

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Thats why,

ULA have 5 seats
Sinn fein have 14
Various left leaning TD's

And Labour have 37 & just pis.sed all over the real left wing votes they got which will be redistributed next election.

My god there really isnt any constructive analysis around this forum.

I am only talking about the ula and to a certain extent sinn fein, a relatively moderate left (labour) is as important as a relatively moderate right(fg/ff) its the extreme ends of the specturm who I and the vast majority have no time for.

also I dont know how you think either joe higgins or the other guy were talking sense it was the badly worded nonsensical pandering we have come to expect from the ula. the guy in the pink mick does seem like a genuinely nice guy though and seems to be the smartest of the bunch

Sully

LOL @ "And Labour have 37 & just pis.sed all over the real left wing votes they got which will be redistributed next election"

EVERYONE knew that Labour were going to go into a Coalition with Fine Gael if they didn't secure a majority. Yet they voted for them anyway. Likewise, FG and Labour have had pacts and gone into government many many times and the electorate has not been bothered.

The left will only be represented in decent numbers by Sinn Fein, and they have fought a very long and hard battle to have some decent(sh) numbers in the Dail for a small party. And its not set in stone either.

Sierra Oscar

Uncorruptable wrote: »

My god there really isnt any constructive analysis around this forum.

Actually I think you will find that one of the reasons the ULA's airtime is diminishing is due to the lack of constructive analysis coming from its own deputies.

Shouting and roaring slogans of "fight the power" and the like was interesting during the General Election campaign, but considering the ULA deputies are now part of the Oireachtas they are expected to have a constructive input into debate.

Michael Noonan hit the nail on the head yesterday when he commented in Dáil that all he had heard from the ULA during the first sitting of the 31st Dáil was ranting and threats of mobilising the people on the streets. There was not a single word on how to get Ireland working again.

heebusjeebus

Uncorruptable wrote: »

Thats why,

ULA have 5 seats
Sinn fein have 14
Various left leaning TD's

And Labour have 37 & just pis.sed all over the real left wing votes they got which will be redistributed next election.

My god there really isnt any constructive analysis around this forum.

FF and FG had right leaning policies in this election and together got more than 50% of the seats so technically most of the country are staying right.

That's besides the point anyway. The shinners and the crazies have nothing constructive to add to help get this country out of this mire. A media blackout would be appreciated.

Patrick47

If you are that concerned you should do up an email for people and have the email adresses to send it to complaining. Be much better than just discussing it here, should add it in here and circulate it.


Nothing like 10,000 or so emails to get your point across.

jank

Uncorruptable wrote: »

The entire point of this thread, which i still hold to be accurate, is that the media is & has always been right leaning.

LOL? Really, if you think that then media in other countries must be akin to Fascist Germany because there is a very strong left leaning taint to the Irish media.
Go to the US, UK even NZ or Australia! Have you lived in those countries, cause I have and the Irish media in general is very much to the left then the media in those countries.

jank

Anyway what the **** have the ULA to offer us? Tell the IMF to **** off so we can pay each other with bottle caps?