ULA rally in Kildare St today

hoorsmelt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZhslrP29UY&feature=channel_video_title

Good video, with speeches from ULA TDs.

Denerick

Less than 250 people.

Higgins actually used the word 'comrades'.

SupaNova

Other than burning the bondholders, there ideas are truly lol. The economic naivety is startling.

Permabear

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the_syco

SupaNova wrote: »

Other than burning the bondholders, there ideas are truly lol. The economic naivety is startling.

If you want to burn the bondholders, please make sure you start off with your local credit union...

UsernameInUse

Permabear wrote: »

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Didn't you hear? They said there is money somewhere.

The thing is, they can't explain exactly where....

Typical socialist waffle - these guys are so out of touch with reality. My question is how they are actually convinced we even remotely want them to represent us...surely, the dog in the street knows they are protest votes?

Joe Higgins and Co will be unemployed come the next election. The fact that none of them have read one page of an economics book shows how dangerous the public can be when entering the ballot box. I fear for humanity.

Permabear

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UsernameInUse

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Agreed.

However, McCreevy was both right and wrong.

He was right about lowering taxes but the cardinal error he made was while lowering taxes, he was increasing expenditure. That's first class maths failing right there. It was also the PD's who introduced the minimum wage which was in complete violation of what they were trying to do. All in all, people throw derogatory words at the PD's and their time in Government but I believe they had the right message - it's just a shame that they made mistakes along the way that didn't allow them to unleash the Free Market.

We must remember that it was during their time in the Dail that privatisation and minimum taxes gave our economy a shot to the arm of the strongest steroid known to mankind - for a while, their decisions even made Fianna Fail and the Greens look good. However, they were the creators of their own downfall by introducing policies and terms that went against their goals in the long-run. They cut the balls off their own monster.

Would you agree?

Humans eh!

Are The ULA Ireland's
Tay Party.

UsernameInUse

Humans eh! wrote: »

Are The ULA Ireland's
Tay Party.

In what respect?

Protesting - yes.
Policies - no.

The Tea Party are Libertarians - ULA are socialists.
Completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

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PatsytheNazi

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Agreed.

However, McCreevy was both right and wrong.

He was right about lowering taxes but the cardinal error he made was while lowering taxes, he was increasing expenditure. That's first class maths failing right there. It was also the PD's who introduced the minimum wage which was in complete violation of what they were trying to do. All in all, people throw derogatory words at the PD's and their time in Government but I believe they had the right message - it's just a shame that they made mistakes along the way that didn't allow them to unleash the Free Market.

We must remember that it was during their time in the Dail that privatisation and minimum taxes gave our economy a shot to the arm of the strongest steroid known to mankind - for a while, their decisions even made Fianna Fail and the Greens look good. However, they were the creators of their own downfall by introducing policies and terms that went against their goals in the long-run. They cut the balls off their own monster.

Would you agree?

The PD's ideas of the 'Free Market' - $600 hair do's for Mary ?

bolshevik

http://revolutionaryprogramme.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/report-on-18-april-ula-public-meeting-in-cork-city/

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I was wondering how I hadn't heard about this rally... Feckin zombie thread.

ReefBreak

bolshevik wrote: »

http://revolutionaryprogramme.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/report-on-18-april-ula-public-meeting-in-cork-city/

Reading that is absolutely hilarious. More please!

So I’m now a card-holding (well I would have been if the cards had been at the meeting…) member of the ULA pre-party semi-alliance.

Brilliant.

bolshevik

ReefBreak wrote: »

Reading that is absolutely hilarious. More please!

Unsure why you find it hilarious but I'm pretty sure that the project for a new party is going to fly so you will indeed be hearing a lot more from the ULA.

Soldie

bolshevik wrote: »

Unsure why you find it hilarious but I'm pretty sure that the project for a new party is going to fly so you will indeed be hearing a lot more from the ULA.

I wouldn't hold my breath. In the face of the so-called "crisis of capitalism", the ULA won an unimpressive 5 seats. Having said that, we do hear a lot from the ULA, albeit far more noise than signal.

bolshevik

Soldie wrote: »

I wouldn't hold my breath. In the face of the so-called "crisis of capitalism", the ULA won an unimpressive 5 seats. Having said that, we do hear a lot from the ULA, albeit far more noise than signal.

Well I am hardly "holding my breath" as I'm an active participant in the class struggle trying to transform the current consciousness or working people and give them the confidence to fight together against the attacks of the bosses and their government.

It does remain something of an open question as to how successful the ULA, and the new workers' party it may lead to, will be but that is a question of political and social struggle.

I would encourage all those who want to change this rotten system based on maximising profit at any human cost in favour of one based on meeting people's needs to get involved in the ULA.

ReefBreak

Reading anything on that website is hilarious. It's the same old hard-left phrases that were funny in the 1970s and are still funny. What day is the revolution? Cos, if it's next Wednesday I can't make it as I have indoor soccer.

Seriously, I assume that was the first meeting? Being Irish and Hard-Left, I assume the first item on the agenda of the second meeting will be to discuss the split?

ReefBreak

bolshevik wrote: »

I'm an active participant in the class struggle trying to transform the current consciousness or working people and give them the confidence to fight together against the attacks of the bosses and their government.

And specifically, what does this entail?

bolshevik

ReefBreak wrote: »

And specifically, what does this entail?

In my personal case it is manifest in work in Cork Women's Right To Choose, Cork Anti-Water Tax Campaign, Cork United Against the Cuts, Independent Workers Union as well as specific activities such as the helping organise the May Day demonstration and participation in various public discussion forums with socialists and anarchists in Cork.

bolshevik

ReefBreak wrote: »

Reading anything on that website is hilarious. It's the same old hard-left phrases that were funny in the 1970s and are still funny. What day is the revolution? Cos, if it's next Wednesday I can't make it as I have indoor soccer.

Seriously, I assume that was the first meeting? Being Irish and Hard-Left, I assume the first item on the agenda of the second meeting will be to discuss the split?

Well you keep on joking and pretending to yourself that there really is no alternative to the insanity of capitalism and I'll keep on fighting back against the attacks and agitating for real change. Each to their own I suppose.

mgmt

bolshevik wrote: »

In my personal case it is manifest in work in Cork Women's Right To Choose, Cork Anti-Water Tax Campaign, Cork United Against the Cuts, Independent Workers Union as well as specific activities such as the helping organise the May Day demonstration and participation in various public discussion forums with socialists and anarchists in Cork.

So you're against the cuts but also against taxes. Great. Oh and you don't mind abortions. Fantastic.

Denerick

bolshevik wrote: »

In my personal case it is manifest in work in Cork Women's Right To Choose, Cork Anti-Water Tax Campaign, Cork United Against the Cuts, Independent Workers Union as well as specific activities such as the helping organise the May Day demonstration and participation in various public discussion forums with socialists and anarchists in Cork.

Why do socialist movements need to have such a myriad number of organisations? It just looks silly and that you are all too zealous to possibly countenance mild compromise.

bolshevik

Denerick wrote: »

Why do socialist movements need to have such a myriad number of organisations? It just looks silly and that you are all too zealous to possibly countenance mild compromise.

None of the organisations I have listed are socialist - they do have socialists in them like myself but they also involve others who would not describe themselves as socialist. They are campaigns around specific issues that people from a variety of political backgrounds and affiliations are concerned about.

Mr. Incognito

bolshevik wrote: »

In my personal case it is manifest in work in Cork Women's Right To Choose, Cork Anti-Water Tax Campaign, Cork United Against the Cuts, Independent Workers Union as well as specific activities such as the helping organise the May Day demonstration and participation in various public discussion forums with socialists and anarchists in Cork.

An anarchists meeting. That must be a riot..........