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Ranking The Best - Wide Receivers

  • 09-03-2011 4:35pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭


    Forum's been a bit quiet lately, so had an idea that we could rank players based on their positions, the end goal ultimately being a Boards All Star Team. Basically, each person ranks their top 10 players, with the player in 1st position being awarded 10 points, the player in 2nd being awarded 9 points, the player in 3rd being awarded 8 points and so on until the player in 10th is awarded 1 point. After everyone has voted, we'll then have a top 10 based on who has been awarded the most points from everyone, with the number 1 going into our All Star team.

    How you decide your top 10 is completely up to you - how they performed last season, how you feel they would perform with the best players around them - it's up to you, just try base it on talent rather then favouritism and try to go by their current talent (i.e. not picking Randy Moss or TO as number 1 based on what they did years ago, for example) Going to do random positions every few days just to keep it interesting, so first up is Wide Receivers.

    My top 10 are:

    1. Calvin Johnson
    2. Andre Johnson
    3. Larry Fitzgerald
    4. Roddy White
    5. Dwayne Bowe
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. Brandon Marshall
    8. DeSean Jackson
    9. Hakeem Nicks
    10. Wes Welker


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,828 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    My top 10 are:

    1. Calvin Johnson
    2. Vincent Jackson
    3. Larry Fitzgerald
    4. Andre Johnson
    5. Sidney Rice
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. DeSean Jackson
    8. Santonio Holmes
    9. Roddy White
    10. Miles Austin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭davetherave


    1) Larry Fitz
    2) Andre Johnson
    3) Calvin Johnson
    4) DeSean Jackson
    5) Brandon Marshall
    6) Reggie Wayne
    7) Aquin Boldin
    8. Miles Austin
    9) Greg Jennings
    10) Johnny Knox


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭FreeOSCAR


    1) Calvin Johnson
    2) Roddy White
    3) Greg Jennings
    4) Andre Johnson
    5) Mike Wallace
    6) DeSean Jackson
    7) Santonio Holmes
    8) Reggie Wayne
    9) Dwayne Bowe
    10) Larry Fitzgerald


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Andre Johnson
    Calvin Johnson
    Larry Fitzgerald
    Brandon Marshall
    Roddy White
    Greg Jennings
    DeSean Jackson
    Reggie Wayne
    Sidney Rice
    Dwayne Bowe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    1) Andre Johnson
    2) Larry Fitz
    3) Calvin Johnson
    4) Santonio Holmes
    5) Dwayne Bowe
    6) Mike Wallace
    7) Greg Jennings
    8) Roddy White
    9) Anquan Boldin
    10) Wes Welker


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    1. Larry Fitz
    2. Calvin Johnson
    3. Andre Johnson
    (these 3 are the best by some distance)

    4. Hakeem Nicks
    5. Greg Jennings
    6. Reggie Wayne
    7. DeSean Jackson
    8. Brandon Marshall
    9. Mike Wallace
    10. Terrell Owens


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    1. Andre Johnson
    2.Larry Fitz
    3. Calvin Johnson
    4. Desean Jackson
    5. Brandon Marshall
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. Austin Collie
    8 Brandon Llyod
    9. Miles Austin
    10. Reggie Wayne


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Larry Fitzgerald
    3. Calvin Johnson
    4. DeSean Jackson
    5. Roddy White
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. Wes Welker
    8. Mike Wallace
    9. Dwayne Bowe
    10.Mike Williams

    A few head scratchers in this list I'd say for many. Seems like no one is quite so high on DeSean Jackson but I think his explosivity is just too much not to rank as the best WR outside of the top three. Mike Wallace was unreal as a rookie and while he is probably not the tenth best WR in the league his performances last year mean you have to respect what he could do in this league going foward.

    I wanted to have Dwayne Bowe a bit higher but didnt think, when all things are considered, that he is a better WR than Wallace or Welker. I think overall I would prefer to have Welker's poise as a slot reciever in my team and that Wallace can continue to improve in the next couple of years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    frostie500 wrote: »
    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Larry Fitzgerald
    3. Calvin Johnson
    4. DeSean Jackson
    5. Roddy White
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. Wes Welker
    8. Mike Wallace
    9. Dwayne Bowe
    10.Mike Williams

    A few head scratchers in this list I'd say for many. Seems like no one is quite so high on DeSean Jackson but I think his explosivity is just too much not to rank as the best WR outside of the top three. Mike Wallace was unreal as a rookie and while he is probably not the tenth best WR in the league his performances last year mean you have to respect what he could do in this league going foward.

    I wanted to have Dwayne Bowe a bit higher but didnt think, when all things are considered, that he is a better WR than Wallace or Welker. I think overall I would prefer to have Welker's poise as a slot reciever in my team and that Wallace can continue to improve in the next couple of years.

    I actually cant believe you dont have Brandon Marhsall in your top 10. Dude consistently gets over 1000 yards a season and even had a 1000 yard season with Chad freaking Henne throwing him the ball and he missed two games.

    Imagine what he would do if he was playing with a top QB. Has the ability to simply dominate CB's as the two Johnson's have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭SSK


    Andre
    Fitz
    Megatron
    White
    Jennings
    Desean Jackson
    Marshall
    Wallace
    Vincent Jackson
    Wayne

    Welker, Bowe and Nicks all unlucky to miss

    Dez Bryant is gonna be awesome as well


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Lionbacker


    1. Calvin Johnson
    2. Greg Jennings
    3. Roddy White
    4. Andre Johnson
    5. Santonio Holmes
    6. DeSean Jackson
    7. Austin Collie
    8. Larry Fitzgerald
    9. Brandon Marshall
    10. Mike Williams


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Calvin Johnson
    3. Larry Fitz
    4. Roddy White
    5. Reggie Wayne
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. Wes Welker
    8. DeSean Jackson
    9. Brandon Marshall
    10. Dwayne Bowe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    The general absence/ranking of Reggie Wayne makes a mockery of this thread tbh.

    Until we get to the QB thread and are told Peyton Manning has spent his career throwing to HOF WR's :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Calvin Johnson, Jr.
    3. Larry Fitzgerald
    4. Reggie Wayne
    5. Brandon Marshall
    6. Roddy White
    7. Dwayne Bowe
    8. DeSean Jackson
    9. Brandon Lloyd
    10. Hines Ward
    11. Wes Welker
    12. Miles Austin
    13. Anquan Boldin
    14. Marques Colston
    15. Vincent Jackson

    Davyjose is right. In my opinion you can't have the Top 5 WR without Wayne in there. And as there is not set amount I went top 15.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    And as there is not set amount I went top 15.

    Emmm...
    Tom_Brady wrote: »
    Basically, each person ranks their top 10 players, with the player in 1st position being awarded 10 points, the player in 2nd being awarded 9 points, the player in 3rd being awarded 8 points and so on until the player in 10th is awarded 1 point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭davetherave


    Tom_Brady wrote: »
    Basically, each person ranks their top 10 players, with the player in 1st position being awarded 10 points, the player in 2nd being awarded 9 points, the player in 3rd being awarded 8 points and so on until the player in 10th is awarded 1 point. After everyone has voted, we'll then have a top 10 based on who has been awarded the most points from everyone, with the number 1 going into our All Star team.
    And as there is not set amount I went top 15.
    :pac: :pac: :p


    How do we decide when "everybody" has voted? The forum regulars or leave it open for five days, or a week or something. Great idea by the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    :pac: :pac: :p


    How do we decide when "everybody" has voted? The forum regulars or leave it open for five days, or a week or something. Great idea by the way.

    I'll open a new one every couple of days, no point closing the old ones, just leave them open until every position has been decided. That way, even when we're on to the last one, say Strong Safety or whatever it is, anyone who comes along then can still go back and vote in the older ones. It's just a bit of fun to see who are generally the highest regarded players on this forum, shouldn't be taken too seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    davyjose wrote: »
    The general absence/ranking of Reggie Wayne makes a mockery of this thread tbh.

    I'm a big fan of Wayne but felt that his production has been waning in recent years-maybe its because defences focus on him as Manning's favoured target-but I think that he is starting to decline and that he is now a very good reciever but not the great player he was a few years ago.

    Like I said in my post Mike Williams is not the tenth best reciever in the league but I think going forward he will be very productive. The guideline given at the top of the thread was:

    "How you decide your top 10 is completely up to you - how they performed last season, how you feel they would perform with the best players around them - it's up to you, just try base it on talent rather then favouritism and try to go by their current talent (i.e. not picking Randy Moss or TO as number 1 based on what they did years ago, for example)"

    With that in mind I just felt that Wayne is no longer the elite level player he was in the past and that I would no longer rate as such.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    Tom_Brady wrote: »
    Emmm...

    So take my top 10 whats the big deal? :D To be fair I don't like rankings and I just thought I would throw the extra 5 in there. They dont count they dont count etc etc etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    frostie500 wrote: »
    I'm a big fan of Wayne but felt that his production has been waning in recent years-maybe its because defences focus on him as Manning's favoured target-but I think that he is starting to decline and that he is now a very good reciever but not the great player he was a few years ago.

    Wayne waning? You do realise season gone he had the 3rd best Receiving yards right? His TD count was low because Manning found comfort in Garcon and Collie and even Tamme and Clark got in on the action. Even if Wayne wasn't at his so called best he still had numbers worthy of a Top 5 WR.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭Oleg Luzhny


    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Calvin Johnson
    3. Brandon Marshall
    4. Larry Fitzgerald
    5. Reggie Wayne
    6. Roddy White
    7. Sidney Rice
    8. DeSean Jackson
    9. Dwayne Bowe
    10. Miles Austin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Kev8360


    1. Calvin Johnson
    2. Andre Johnson
    3. Larry Fitzgerald
    4. Reggie Wayne
    5. Desean Jackson
    6. Roddy White
    7. Wes Welker
    8. Dwayne Bowe
    9. Brandon Marshall
    10. Marques Colston


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Wayne waning? You do realise season gone he had the 3rd best Receiving yards right? His TD count was low because Manning found comfort in Garcon and Collie and even Tamme and Clark got in on the action. Even if Wayne wasn't at his so called best he still had numbers worthy of a Top 5 WR.

    His yards per catch have steadily declined in recent years and, like I said earlier, he is still a very good receiver but I just think that in the next couple of years he will continue to decline. I used to think that he was one of the four or five best receivers in the league but now I think that he has started to get to the point of his career that he can no longer be the player he once was.

    In relation to having the third most yards its worth remembering that he had 111 catches, second highest in the league. Brandon Lloyd had 100 more yards off 34 less catches, Greg Jennings had 90 yards less off 35 less catches. Mike Wallace had over 50 less catches but only 100 less yards. DeSean Jackson averaged 22.5 yards per catch and broke 1000 yards with less than 50 catches.

    I just think that Wayne has been overtaken by younger players in the league, its inevitable that it occurs but it happens every couple of years.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    frostie500 wrote: »
    His yards per catch have steadily declined in recent years and, like I said earlier, he is still a very good receiver but I just think that in the next couple of years he will continue to decline. I used to think that he was one of the four or five best receivers in the league but now I think that he has started to get to the point of his career that he can no longer be the player he once was.

    In relation to having the third most yards its worth remembering that he had 111 catches, second highest in the league. Brandon Lloyd had 100 more yards off 34 less catches, Greg Jennings had 90 yards less off 35 less catches. Mike Wallace had over 50 less catches but only 100 less yards. DeSean Jackson averaged 22.5 yards per catch and broke 1000 yards with less than 50 catches.

    I just think that Wayne has been overtaken by younger players in the league, its inevitable that it occurs but it happens every couple of years.


    Hes still an excellent player , he had some gigantic games this year . Really showed me that he has some good stuff left in him . However I agree that he is declining in some way . I see him developing into a guy that Manning goes to when the chains need to be moved , lots of slants like the old slant combination Manning had with Marvin Harrison . His numbers may decline but he is still an excellent player .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    frostie500 wrote: »
    His yards per catch have steadily declined in recent years and, like I said earlier, he is still a very good receiver but I just think that in the next couple of years he will continue to decline. I used to think that he was one of the four or five best receivers in the league but now I think that he has started to get to the point of his career that he can no longer be the player he once was.

    In relation to having the third most yards its worth remembering that he had 111 catches, second highest in the league. Brandon Lloyd had 100 more yards off 34 less catches, Greg Jennings had 90 yards less off 35 less catches. Mike Wallace had over 50 less catches but only 100 less yards. DeSean Jackson averaged 22.5 yards per catch and broke 1000 yards with less than 50 catches.

    I just think that Wayne has been overtaken by younger players in the league, its inevitable that it occurs but it happens every couple of years.

    In fairness, Manning's yards per attempt was his lowest since his rookie year. There are a number of factors for this, but I don't believe Reggie Wayne was one of them.

    100+ receptions in 3 of the last four seasons? 1,000+ yards in each of the last 7 seasons? On the wane? Come on, dude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    davyjose wrote: »
    100+ receptions in 3 of the last four seasons? 1,000+ yards in each of the last 7 seasons? On the wane? Come on, dude.

    I dont understand how it is so unthinkable for people to believe that a 32 year old receiver playing in his 12th season in the NFL is on the downward slope of his career. I've said repeatedly that I still believe that Wayne is a very good football player but that his abilities are starting to decline.

    My top ten list was based more on if I was a GM of a team and I had to go out and sign a WR (somehow every receiver in the leaguewas available as a free agent!) these are the first ten guys that I would target. I think that you can get better production from younger players in the league and this is shown that the oldest player that I have listed is Johnson, he's 29.

    It's fair to say, as I have, that Wayne is still an integral part of the Colts offence but I just do not believe that if every receiver was available in free agency that he would be taken in the first ten


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    If I'm building a franchise from the ground and drafting a rookie QB, then you would ideally want a receiver like Reggie Wayne. You couldn't ask for a more un-selfish, high character guy. He is probably the best route runner in the league, has exceptional hands and creates very good sepreation in press coverage. Probably the receiver to perform best against Darelle Revis in the past two seasons and that says alot IMO. He is a QB's best friend.

    He's not a big play guy though, doesn't make any noise and doesn't have great elusiveness, which is why I think people will over look him. Guys like Desean Jackson who can make people miss and take it to the house at any given moment will always get more press.

    Is he on the wane? I heard alot of people say at the beginning of last season that Wayne would start to decline, but I didn't see it TBH. Still performs at a very high level and I think he still has 2/3 years left of production at the highest level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    TaosHum wrote: »
    If I'm building a franchise from the ground and drafting a rookie QB, then you would ideally want a receiver like Reggie Wayne. You couldn't ask for a more un-selfish, high character guy. He is probably the best route runner in the league, has exceptional hands and creates very good sepreation in press coverage. Probably the receiver to perform best against Darelle Revis in the past two seasons and that says alot IMO. He is a QB's best friend.

    He's not a big play guy though, doesn't make any noise and doesn't have great elusiveness, which is why I think people will over look him. Guys like Desean Jackson who can make people miss and take it to the house at any given moment will always get more press.

    Is he on the wane? I heard alot of people say at the beginning of last season that Wayne would start to decline, but I didn't see it TBH. Still performs at a very high level and I think he still has 2/3 years left of production at the highest level.

    This. Excellently written post TaosHum. The fact Wayne is still showing consistency at a high level to me is enough to say he is up there with the best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    frostie500 wrote: »
    I dont understand how it is so unthinkable for people to believe that a 32 year old receiver playing in his 12th season in the NFL is on the downward slope of his career. I've said repeatedly that I still believe that Wayne is a very good football player but that his abilities are starting to decline.

    I don't believe it's unthinkable for a 32 year old receiver in his 12th season to be on a downward slope. I just don't believe that applies to Wayne.

    Are you ranking him on his age, or on the fact that you don't think he's consistently one of the most productive receivers in the league? Based on your comments, I think it's the former.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    TaosHum wrote: »
    If I'm building a franchise from the ground and drafting a rookie QB, then you would ideally want a receiver like Reggie Wayne. You couldn't ask for a more un-selfish, high character guy. He is probably the best route runner in the league, has exceptional hands and creates very good sepreation in press coverage. Probably the receiver to perform best against Darelle Revis in the past two seasons and that says alot IMO. He is a QB's best friend.

    He's not a big play guy though, doesn't make any noise and doesn't have great elusiveness, which is why I think people will over look him. Guys like Desean Jackson who can make people miss and take it to the house at any given moment will always get more press.

    Is he on the wane? I heard alot of people say at the beginning of last season that Wayne would start to decline, but I didn't see it TBH. Still performs at a very high level and I think he still has 2/3 years left of production at the highest level.

    Agree with TO, excellent post. Wayne's not the sexy choice. He doesn't make the big plays other flashier WR's can make. What he does do is keep the chains moving. The big plays are nice, but third downs on a regular basis, moving the ball down the field regularly, that's more important to a good Offense.

    Another point you touched on, Wayne is the guy who gets the shutdown CB or double coverage. since Harrison left, he's the marked man. And the results? 100+ receptions, 1,000+ yards. Phenomenal tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    davyjose wrote: »
    I don't believe it's unthinkable for a 32 year old receiver in his 12th season to be on a downward slope. I just don't believe that applies to Wayne.

    Are you ranking him on his age, or on the fact that you don't think he's consistently one of the most productive receivers in the league? Based on your comments, I think it's the former.

    I've said that I have regarded him as one of the leagues elite receivers in the past but that I think that going forward that he will no longer be able to play at the level that he did in the past. If we did this thread a year or two ago i would have him rated in the top five or six but as I said if I was building a franchise(and that is, rightly or wrongly, how I approached making my list) and looking for a number one receiver I would target other players.

    Yes those players are younger, but that is because if I was a GM and had to make a deal with a number one receiver you're going to want to tie them down for five or six years, do you or anyone else think that in five years time that Wayne would be an elite player? Or do you think that the likes of DeSean Jackson, Calvin Johnson etc would be of more value to a team in 2015 or 16?

    Like I said I know that Wayne was an incredible player and he is still a very productive player I just think that as things stand right here right now there are players that would offer a team more value than Reggie going forward. Its far from my intention to belittle his ability etc. I rate him highly just not in my top ten by the way I constructed my list. I think its pretty clear, by selecting the likes of Mike Williams, that I was making my list by looking at players that will be capable of producing big numbers in the league for the next five years and not right here right now.

    I would love it if I was forced to eat humble pie on this and Reggie Wayne continues producing big numbers in his late 30s, like Jerry Rice did, but I just think that it is unlikely that we will see happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Calvin Johnson
    3. Larry Fitz
    4. Greg Jennings
    5. Reggie Wayne
    6. Roddy White
    7. Vincent Jackson
    8. Miles Austin
    9. Percy Harvin
    10. DeSean Jackson


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