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Do we need Coalitions

  • 08-03-2011 12:04pm
    #1
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭


    I must say I'm not really a fan...


    In the last election I voted Fianna Fail for example... gave the Greens no votes. Which is why I got a bit bothered when I seen the Greens go into coalition with their 4 or 5 TD's (not one of which I believe got in on the first count)

    Anyway, who gave the Green party any mandate to be in Government!?! This is what bothers about it :mad:


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  • #2
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Nobody has won an election since 1977 and they had to buy that one.

    If the voters won't return someone with a majority then coalitions are the only way


  • #3
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Anyway, who gave the Green party any mandate to be in Government!?!
    The people who voted for them.

    Any coalition which makes up a majority is representative of a majority of the people. I didn't vote for FF last time at all. What gave them the mandate to govern me?

    That's PR for ya.

    I prefer coalitions because they theoretically govern with a more balanced outlook instead of single-mindedly pursue policies without consideration of the signficant minority's views.


  • #4
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    seamus wrote: »
    The people who voted for them.

    Any coalition which makes up a majority is representative of a majority of the people. I didn't vote for FF last time at all. What gave them the mandate to govern me?

    Was the last coalition one of those? Have it coming in at under 50% of first preference votes. :)


  • #5
    TheGodBen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭TheGodBen


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    In the last election I voted Fianna Fail for example... gave the Greens no votes. Which is why I got a bit bothered when I seen the Greens go into coalition with their 4 or 5 TD's (not one of which I believe got in on the first count)

    Anyway, who gave the Green party any mandate to be in Government!?! This is what bothers about it :mad:
    In the last election, I voted Green #1 and gave Fianna Fáil no preferences. I was really bothered that the Greens went into government with FF and their clearly corrupt and incompetent leader, Patrick Bartholomew Ahern.

    But that was the make-up of the last Dáil, that's the way the people decided it was going to be. It either had to be FF/Labour or FF/PD/Green, and since Labour had already tied their flag to FG's mast, it had to be the Greens. I would have preferred FG/Labour/Greens, but that wasn't an option.


  • #6
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Which is why I got a bit bothered when I seen the Greens go into coalition with their 4 or 5 TD's (not one of which I believe got in on the first count)
    amacachi wrote: »
    Was the last coalition one of those? Have it coming in at under 50% of first preference votes. :)

    Don't get hung up on counts or preferences. Being elected on the 8th count with a load of transfers, while not meeting the quota doesn't make your mandate any less than getting in on the first count with a huge surplus.

    Elected is elected - that's the way the system is designed. It's not a first past the post system with a couple of "best runner-ups". It's designed so that representation is spread out in a constituency.


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