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NUI Matriculation: is it discriminatory?

  • 06-03-2011 03:40PM
    #1
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭


    Can anyone explain to me why it is necessary to have 3 languages to enter an NUI university? under the NUI matriculation requirements you need irish, english and a third language to enter a nui university. exemptions apply for people who do not have irish (if they have not studied in ireland all their lives). surely there is some form of discrimination with regards to this?

    irish is now considered a european language just to note.

    just say A decides to apply for nui maynooth this year. he has irish and english but no third language. he is denied entry on this basis.

    B, a polish national who has studied here for two years, has english and a foreign language (say polish), is exempt from irish, and is admitted if they meet the point requirement.

    is this discriminatory? if not, why isnt it?


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  • #2
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    If it helps, this was also discussed here


  • #3
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I had to go to DCU because I didnt have french, to study law. I think the requirement is stupid.


  • #4
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    do you think this can be legally challenged?


  • #5
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paky wrote: »
    do you think this can be legally challenged?
    I doubt it, but thats just me guessing.


  • #6
    bath handle
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    It is discriminatory but what of it?


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  • #7
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    bath handle wrote: »
    It is discriminatory but what of it?

    well if people are being affected by it then it must be changed!


  • #8
    bath handle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭bath handle


    There is no legal reason why it should be changed.


  • #9
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    bath handle wrote: »
    There is no legal reason why it should be changed.

    it discriminates on the basis of educational background


  • #10
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paky wrote: »
    it discriminates on the basis of educational background
    So does the points system tbh


  • #11
    bath handle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭bath handle


    paky wrote: »
    it discriminates on the basis of educational background

    :D So what? It is not illegal. This is a legal discussion forum, not a social policy discussion forum.


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  • #12
    usernamegoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    All I would think is that one EU citizen (Irish) is treated differently to any other. There was a case were someone challenged the Irish requirement for teaching but she lost on the basis that Ireland was trying to preserve it language, I think it was.


  • #13
    dermot_sheehan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭dermot_sheehan


    Prendergast -v- Higher Education Authority & Ors [2008] IEHC 257 would seem to indicate you can not challenge such a requirement.


  • #14
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    irish is an official language of the european union since 2007.

    since i done all my schooling through irish should i be treated as a foreign student?


  • #15
    Kosseegan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Kosseegan


    paky wrote: »
    irish is an official language of the european union since 2007.

    since i done all my schooling through irish should i be treated as a foreign student?

    The medium of a persons education has nothing to do with the nationality of that person. You are an Irish national and the rules which apply to Irish nationals will be applied to you.
    The rules for foreign national are designed to ensure that the laws relating to free movement of persons within the Eu are complied with. If it results in differing treatment, that is just unfortunate.


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