More Range!!

Phil Taz

Im looking to get more range with my 416. It has a 363mm 6.03 tighbore, ultimate hop-up rubber and G&G gearbox. Im doing a CQB set up on a different M4 so RoF is not important at the moment.

Now Iv noticed over the past few days there is different types of cylnders, cyliner heads, pistons and piston heads.

Cylinders are in grade/type C/D etc, whats the difference and what do they do, Is a cylinder better with no holes in it or more the merrier?

Cyliner heads iv seen have 1 or 2 O rings, is this for better air seal?

Pistons with full teeth and half teeth - which is best?

Piston heads with 8 holes or 5 holes - whats the difference between them?

Do Air noozles vary, I know theres AK's etc, but is all M4 Air noozles the same of is there different grades/type?

Would me changing any of these give me more range?

Thanks in advance

Firekitten

Phil Taz wrote: »

Im looking to get more range with my 416. It has a 363mm 6.03 tighbore, ultimate hop-up rubber and G&G gearbox. Im doing a CQB set up on a different M4 so RoF is not important at the moment.

Now Iv noticed over the past few days there is different types of cylnders, cyliner heads, pistons and piston heads.

Cylinders are in grade/type C/D etc, whats the difference and what do they do, Is a cylinder better with no holes in it or more the merrier?

Cyliner heads iv seen have 1 or 2 O rings, is this for better air seal?

Pistons with full teeth and half teeth - which is best?

Piston heads with 8 holes or 5 holes - whats the difference between them?

Do Air noozles vary, I know theres AK's etc, but is all M4 Air noozles the same of is there different grades/type?

Would me changing any of these give me more range?

Thanks in advance

There comes a point with an airsoft gun, where limitations are reached. In this case, a significant one is the m4 hopup, not the best... your barrel length is a MINOR player, extending it would perhaps give you a few feet, but not much

Ok, half the parts you listed would help with increasing rate of fire.

Cylinders: Keep the same type you have. Yours should have a hole, as its m4 length, the hole depends on barrel length. Long barrel, no hole, short, hole, it basically stops suckback occuring with longer barrels. Will depend on gearbox type, and vented or none.

Cylinder heads: more o rings the merrier, 2 should help with air seal.

Pistol teeth: rate of fire issue ,wont help with range.

Holes in piston heads... again, weight for rate of fire, and a manufacturer 'design' feature, wont help range.

Air nozzle.. id actualy get a plastic m4 type one, NOT metal, the plastic's properties mean it can create a slightly better seal than a metal to metal contact.

As I said above, there comes a point where fps and bb weight limit. out of interest, how far are you shooting now?

Phil Taz

well a G36 was doing double my range yesterday :mad:, probably between 20 to 30 feet, could be more do. the 416 hop-up unit comes in 2 halfs, need to modify the lower receiver to change to a M4 hop-up unit, would that take effect on it?

Firekitten

Yes, a decent m4 hop would help, as would a really nice hop rubber and bucking... something like the madbull blue series. Lovely ones.. 2 part hop leaks like the whitehouse.

MonkeyGuy

Where can you get those Madbull blue buckings? I've heard great things about them but can't seem to find them anywhere?

Firekitten

Fire support had em, but Lemming got the last pair yesterday :P Ehobby might have em, not too pricy either.

roryk1

a madbull blue hopup bucking with custom made nub can be ordered through strike arms go in and talk to him his techie is one of the best tell him what you want and its done have a raider done by him and the range outclasses a lot of peoples

Firekitten

I'll wager the 'magic' isnt much beyond the properties of madbull or another company's design. I dont trust airsoft companies that claim 'custom made' parts, when few infact are, its just a marketing trick to make things seem better. I've never used 'custom made' parts in any customer work I've done for simple liability. If a part breaks, its the manufacturer, not me at fault and liable for replacement.

Accuracy and range depend on simple physics.

Softer hop rubber = more friction imparted on the bb for its surface area. The blue rubber does this nicely. its also slightly larger than most hop rubbers, its quite tricky to fit into the hop unit sometimes, but the air seal is perfect.

Air seal: less escapes - more air goes to the bb propulsion. Also, with more air going to the bb, the distribution is more even, thus the bb flight path is straighter.

Nub... it provides the pressure to the bb, frankly, normal ones are... ok, but the best is the H nub. It provides even pressure to both sides, ensuring the bb gets more unidirectional rotation in line with the barrel, thus, straighter and less bouncing in the barrel, and more hopup effect is used rather than lost.

Combine this with a tightbore, and youve got the best you'll get.


I use this in my Tar-21 and Sa80a2... Both have the hop unit built into the gearbox... perfect seal, (in normal guns a little ptfe tape around the outside of the end of the hop unit that fits into the end of the gearbox is perfect to seal it)

Not tested the sa80a2 yet, i just fitted those parts today, but the tar, at 320fps, is shooting 70m, flat, bang on its crosshairs. Impressive? yeah, i was impressed and I've seen a lot. It got a lot of calls of hot gun in game, and had to be cronoed twice... but still 320

Honestly, thats my recomendation, and ive been doing airsoft repair and upgrade work for 5 years... Madbulls toys are excelent. Combining thier barrel and hop (as they design the parts to work together) is excelent. Ive yet to see better in an AEG.

Phil Taz

I took out the Dramel and went to work on removing the 416 hop-up, fitted a GnG hop-up unit and its doubled me range already Just gotta order me madbull blue hop up

Cheers for the answers and sudjestions