The Fear Factor

last man standing

OK. About all this recycling and paying for your "green bin " to be taken away. If i buy a cup of coffee in a shop I pay for the coffee and the carton
it came in, so the manufactuer and the shop keeper have added on their cut
and they both make money then I put it in my green bin and I pay some one
to take it away, then they bring it some where and they get payed for
disposing of it. OK but I the comsumer are the only one in this whole chain not getting anything for recycling. Why don't i just burn it myself? Well
its because i have been brain washed into some kind of fear that I must do this to save the planet, while big business is making all the money. Does anyone see where I am coming from?

seannash

Put the coffee container in a public bin,dont carry it home.

I can see what your trying to get people up in arms about but to be honest its a very silly argument to get worked up about.
If your worried about "big business" buy your coffee from a local vendor not a chain.

I dont see how anybody would have a problem with recycling,noone is forcing you to drink coffee of buy anything prepackaged,its your choice so deal with the consequences of your choice

last man standing

Sorry that's not what i am saying exactly. What i am saying is everybody
out side of the consumer is making money from the idea of recycling and yes
i do believe that recycling is a good idea but the more fear that is put on people the more we seem to forget who is making form this. Everything that
we buy is packaged, local vendor or not. The point is if business or who ever
is saying that they are doing their bit to save the planet they are still making from the idea. I just believe that it's a fear factor when it comes to the public. If the governments or who ever care as they say and the public are doing their bit in "the chain" ,Why not give tax relief or something back to the
supplier, ie the consumer!!

David Matthew

last man standing wrote:

...everybody out side of the consumer is making money from the idea of recycling and yes i do believe that recycling is a good idea but the more fear that is put on people the more we seem to forget who is making form this.

It sounds as though you believe the recycling agenda is in some sense sinister? If the fear factor you speak of exists, then surely businesses are just as liable to be affected by it as the average consumer? After all, businesses can incur large fines if they fail to adhere to certain environmental policies.
Do you think it a bad thing if a business profits from recycling? And if so (although I'd like to be shown some evidence that this is the case), would it not be worse were it the other way around, i.e. if they profited from not recycling?

I hope I'm not missing your point.

seannash

last man standing wrote: »

Sorry that's not what i am saying exactly. What i am saying is everybody
out side of the consumer is making money from the idea of recycling and yes
i do believe that recycling is a good idea but the more fear that is put on people the more we seem to forget who is making form this. Everything that
we buy is packaged, local vendor or not. The point is if business or who ever
is saying that they are doing their bit to save the planet they are still making from the idea. I just believe that it's a fear factor when it comes to the public. If the governments or who ever care as they say and the public are doing their bit in "the chain" ,Why not give tax relief or something back to the
supplier, ie the consumer!!

companies do there part by using recycled material for there packaging or less packaging.
Ive never seen a company claim that there enviromentally friendly due to there customers disposing of there packaging properly,they say there enviromentally friendly by changing there packaging an cutting down on waste

I honestly think your making an issue out of nothing and again theres no reason why you cant buy all your veg/meat from a local greengrocers/butcher and take your own bags with you in order to survive.
Its your choice to buy that frozen pizza

last man standing

No you are not missing the point. In fact you do bring up a good case for
recycling.First of all i wasn't trying to get anybody up in arms,that was not
my intention. However to use the word sinister might be the wrong word but what i am trying to point out is that the recycling issue is driven by The fear
thenfactor and i think to a large degree its driven to make money out of it rather saving the planet. What i believe is, is not to be driven by fear for the sake
of other people making money from it. I know brought up the point about the
customer not getting paid but i was just trying to point out the consumer was in the middle of the fear factor. Yes i agree we have the choice to
buy local but its not always just waste from your local shop. My point was the Fear factor being used.

robtri

how does the manufacturer make money here ...

seannash

Yeah im bit miffed as to how the companies make money from "the fear"