87, Friars Walk, Cork - 1902.

kilsmum

Im back again looking for help.

Got my great grandmother and great grandfather's wedding cert yesterday.

My great grandfather's witness was his sister Mary and she gave an address as 87, Friars Walk, Cork.

When I looked in the census of 1901 from what I can see the numbers on the houses in Friars Walk only go up to the early 40s.

I saw the physical register in the North Cathedral with the help of a true Cork gentleman George Fenney the sacristan - the entry was very plain 87, Friars Walk.

Is there anyone out there that can help me on this one?

Thanks in advance,

Kilsmum

shanew

The number on the census transcripts are sometimes site numbers rather than street numbers. To see the actual street number you need to view the reverse of the household form. Unfortunately these are not available on the current 1901 pages, but are included on the 1911 returns.

Site number 45 is street number 87

see

Household Form : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__5_Urban__part_of_/Friar_s_Walk/398783/
Reverse of Form : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001889201/

It may be a relatively new house, as there are a greater number of houses listed on the street in 1911


Shane

kilsmum

Thanks very much for the explanation Shane.

I was just hoping to maybe find out a bit more about my great grandfather.

I'll work with what I have for the moment and really appreciate you taking the time to explain this.

Regards,

Kilsmum:D

davidjcie

Shanew Thanks for the census data - I never knew the back of the form actually had the house number. If there was some way of matching the the numbers in Griffiths Valuation to the 1901 Census numbers it would be great.

Kilsmum - I have some ancestors from Friar's Walk. Surname Chandler, Twomey, Olney
David

kilsmum

Thanks David,

The surname was O'Brien but I doubt Im going to find anything to be honest.

Mary lived at 87 Friars Walk and her brother William who was my great grandfather lived in another part of the city that was 5 Catherine Square on the marriage register. When I went looking for it I couldn't find it in the old street names of Cork - so put it up here looking for help and thankfully Shane helped me on this one.

I dont know did the O'Brien family even come from that area originally.

I am a long time looking for this man but the information I was given by my family members wasn't clear so it resulted in me looking for him in the wrong years. He died sometime after 1904 when my grandmother was born because my great grandmother was a widow in the 1911 census.

I was told William was buried in Carrigtwohill (apparently his family were originally from that area) but again Im not sure.

George Fenney did suggest trying the Cork City Council and if a plot was purchased for William when he died they might have a record for it. He felt back at the time of the horse and cart people wouldn't have travelled such a distance to Carrigtwohill.

Failing that I could try the records for some of the older cemeteries in and around the northside.

Any suggestions re cemeteries or what my next step should be would be very much appreciated.


Paula

Wyldwood

The two cemeteries most used by city people in Cork would be St Joseph's, Tory Top Road (very close to Friar's Walk) & St Finbarr's, Glasheen Road. Unfortunately to get details of a grave in both of these you usually need to have a date of death.
Rathcooney was a popular one for northsiders. I think I have a contact name & number somewhere for the supervisor so I'll dig it out & PM it to you.

kilsmum

Wyldwood, I really appreciate any help you can offer.

How about Curraghkippane? someone else suggested there?

From the address on my grandmothers birth cert from June 1904 William lived in the northside Peacock Lane (now Gerald Griffin avenue). We always grew up thinking William died when my grandmother was either two or four which would have been 1906 or 1908.

Its possible also they could have moved from Peacock Lane as well.

Basically Im trying to cover a period of time from 1904 when my grandmother was born because Williams name is on the birth cert to the 1911 census when I know for sure at that stage he was dead because my great grandmother was a widow at that stage.

I had a look a the 1901 census and cannot find any trace of Mary so then I wonder was she living there on her own and maybe in fact it was not the family home.

Any input or ideas are very much appreciated - Thanks so much,


Paula

Wyldwood

Kilsmum
have you considered contacting some of the funeral directors? They may not have records going back that far but it's worth a try. There's a funeral directors at North Gate Bridge that's popular with northsiders (not sure I'm allowed mention names here)

Curraghkippane is a possibility too.

davidjcie

I had a look a the 1901 census and cannot find any trace of Mary so then I wonder was she living there on her own and maybe in fact it was not the family home.

Paula
Have you got him in the 1901 census? Did FamilySearch.org give you any clues? Have u a birth year from his marriage cert that might make FamilySearch.org easier
There is a web site http://www.rootsireland.ie/ that I checked but there isnt a William O'Brien who died between 1901 and 1911 in Cork on that (It only has records for half of Cork but would include Carrigtwohill)

David

kilsmum

Wyldwood, I would never have thought of funeral directors!! Thanks!

I got the name and number of the registrar for Curraghkippane Cemetery so will see what information I can get there.

Also following on from the information I got from the sacristan George in the North Cathedral I'm off out to the County Hall tomorrow to have a look at the grave sales in the Cork region which is available for public viewing and dates back to the 1800s it covers a wide area of Cork.

I know its a long shot but its worth a try.

Sincere thanks for all the advice and help - without it I would never got as far in my family tree as I have.

Thank you so much

Kilsmum - Paula

kilsmum

David,

I was thinking along the same lines as you that maybe Friars Walk was not in fact the family home and that's why I can't find Mary.

I have tried all possibilities for William in the 1901 Census and cant find him either. The only information on the marriage cert about Williams age what that he was of full age (over 21 maybe?).

The family story is that William was only 32 when he died but there again its only all conjecture. I do know from the marriage cert that Williams father was called William and was deceased when his son William got married in 1902.

The Carrigtwohill bit could be totally wrong so that's why I'm keeping an open mind on things.

Thanks so much for all your advice and help.

Regards Paula - Kilsmum

btw - I did order one cert from the gro based on the info of William dying when my grandmother was 4 but (making him 36) but this poor chap was single and died in the asylum from cancer.

The only other possibility is that maybe William didn't die in Cork at all.