Diesel savings

kiddums

I'm looking for a new car and I'm thinking a diesel would be best suited to me, however I'm wondering what the savings would be for a <2l diesel Vs a <1.4 petrol.

I know the diesel will be cheaper to run, but due to the fact I'll be getting one nearly 10 years old I won't be saving on tax and due to my age insurance will go up about 300e.

Is the cheaper running of a diesel really worth it or will it work out more expensive?

I'm looking for something that will keep me going for 3 or so years anyway so its the long run I'm looking at.

greenasgrass

Depends on what your using the car for.

Diesel will get 50mpg+ on long runs, maybe more. 1.4 petrol would get around 40mpg, better for some newer cars. Diesel is slightly cheaper (at the moment)

So if you do 10,000 miles per year you need 200 gallons (or around €1060 @ €1.40/l) of diesel or 250 galllons (or around €1419 @ €1.50/l) of petrol.

If you are a city driver the diesel will get slightly better mpg but not by much.

You could get a 1.6 diesel and it wouldn't change your tax that much or your insurance. Also there are some 1.4 diesels out there but maybe not 10 years old.

thenightrider

Hi i just went from a 1.4 petrol to a 1.9 diesel my insurance only went up 50 euro im still a young driver the tax is a killer but it all depends how much you are going to drive it if it is worth your while as if you dont do high millage the extra cost will out weigh your saveing.

I do about 500 miles a week so it is worth it for me i get 100 miles out of every 10 euro pending on how i drive.

kiddums

greenasgrass wrote: »

Depends on what your using the car for.

Diesel will get 50mpg+ on long runs, maybe more. 1.4 petrol would get around 40mpg, better for some newer cars. Diesel is slightly cheaper (at the moment)

So if you do 10,000 miles per year you need 200 gallons (or around €1060 @ €1.40/l) of diesel or 250 galllons (or around €1419 @ €1.50/l) of petrol.

If you are a city driver the diesel will get slightly better mpg but not by much.

You could get a 1.6 diesel and it wouldn't change your tax that much or your insurance. Also there are some 1.4 diesels out there but maybe not 10 years old.

I make mostly longish journeys (15+miles) so thats why I'm thinkin diesel.

I need to stay about the 10 year age range due to budget no matter if its petrol or diesel.

Would a 1.6 diesel thats 10 odd years old have much power in comparassion to a petrol?
I know its only in recent years that the power difference isn't noticable.

thenightrider wrote: »

Hi i just went from a 1.4 petrol to a 1.9 diesel my insurance only went up 50 euro im still a young driver the tax is a killer but it all depends how much you are going to drive it if it is worth your while as if you dont do high millage the extra cost will out weigh your saveing.



I do about 500 miles a week so it is worth it for me i get 100 miles out of every 10 euro pending on how i drive.

I'll be going from a 1.2 petrol (well 1299) and I got a quote for a 98 1.9tdi passat and its about 300e more on insurance. They said age wouldn't affect it too much. I only have my licence 4 months aswell.

I'll be doing between 300-400 miles a week on average so not massive but bigger than most.

thenightrider

kiddums wrote: »

I make mostly longish journeys (15+miles) so thats why I'm thinkin diesel.

I need to stay about the 10 year age range due to budget no matter if its petrol or diesel.

Would a 1.6 diesel thats 10 odd years old have much power in comparassion to a petrol?
I know its only in recent years that the power difference isn't noticable.

The 1.6 diesel will have less power then a 1.4 petrol all pending on what car of course my 1.9 diesel has less power then my 1.4 petrol and my petrol is an old 97 car

greenasgrass

1.9 diesel should have at least 110bhp
1.6 diesel should have about 90bhp
I think a 1.4 petrol should have about 80bhp

Either way all should be plenty with the milage your looking at. I wouldn't go for something big like a passat. try a golf, focus, 306 or something along that line. I imagine these wont put your insurance up by a whole lot.

EPM

It comes down to gearing in a lot of cars too. Not all 1.4s will get 40mpg on a long spin. Also the type of road you drive on. If you're 15 miles is urban you will see little difference. If it's N roads diesel comes into it's own. On the motorway it drops back due to speed.

Cork to Clonmel everyday with a 2 litre diesel at an indicated 130kph gets me 40mpg to a tank. That includes town driving in the evenings and the odd fast overtake and climate control on auto. Can get about 45 all motorway though.

kiddums

greenasgrass wrote: »

1.9 diesel should have at least 110bhp
1.6 diesel should have about 90bhp
I think a 1.4 petrol should have about 80bhp

Either way all should be plenty with the milage your looking at. I wouldn't go for something big like a passat. try a golf, focus, 306 or something along that line. I imagine these wont put your insurance up by a whole lot.

So anything above 1.6 in diesel should be ok?
They seem harder to find in diesel and I don't mind the insurance increase if its under 300e.

EPM wrote: »

It comes down to gearing in a lot of cars too. Not all 1.4s will get 40mpg on a long spin. Also the type of road you drive on. If you're 15 miles is urban you will see little difference. If it's N roads diesel comes into it's own. On the motorway it drops back due to speed.

Cork to Clonmel everyday with a 2 litre diesel at an indicated 130kph gets me 40mpg to a tank. That includes town driving in the evenings and the odd fast overtake and climate control on auto. Can get about 45 all motorway though.

Its mostly 50-60mph roads I be on. 2.5-3 miles of that is in town limits, rest is pretty much dual carrageway.

I was averaging 38mpg in my 1299 petrol so as long as I can average better than that for the same driving I don't mind.

greenasgrass

Yeah I think you'll get cheaper insurance in a smaller cc car. Sounds like you'd benefit from a diesel with motorway / dual carraigeway driving.

Have a look on carzone. I saw plenty of small diesels (1.5-1.7) for under €5k there. Mostly Citroens, Peugeots and Renaults. In around 2002-03. Depends on what you want to spend.

kiddums

greenasgrass wrote: »

Yeah I think you'll get cheaper insurance in a smaller cc car. Sounds like you'd benefit from a diesel with motorway / dual carraigeway driving.

Have a look on carzone. I saw plenty of small diesels (1.5-1.7) for under €5k there. Mostly Citroens, Peugeots and Renaults. In around 2002-03. Depends on what you want to spend.

Looking on donedeal and autotrader atm, and I'm seeing a few diesels about, mostly 1.9 tho.

Im looking more at 00-01 with my budget, as near to 2k as I can. I will consider anything back to 98 if its good. I'm looking at a 02 mondeo, its Uk reg and over 500 to bring across tho.
I think its 1.8, it doesn't say. It just says 115bhp.

greenasgrass

€2k! Yeah you'll struggle getting a small diesel for that. Not too many options open to you.

Have you thought about a car-van. Something like this.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Citroen/Xsara/1.9-D-VA/201050200583023/advert?channel=CARS

kiddums

greenasgrass wrote: »

€2k! Yeah you'll struggle getting a small diesel for that. Not too many options open to you.

Have you thought about a car-van. Something like this.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Citroen/Xsara/1.9-D-VA/201050200583023/advert?channel=CARS

The bigger diesels are more common in my price range. Due to location I can't get a golf, too many boy racers with them.

I had thought about that but as I'm planning on getting at least 3 years from this a car would be more usefull.

And I'm not really willing to travel as far as dublin. Something in the NW would be better.

murphyebass

greenasgrass wrote: »

1.9 diesel should have at least 110bhp
1.6 diesel should have about 90bhp
I think a 1.4 petrol should have about 80bhp

Either way all should be plenty with the milage your looking at. I wouldn't go for something big like a passat. try a golf, focus, 306 or something along that line. I imagine these wont put your insurance up by a whole lot.

80 / 90bhp

wouldnt be happy about that.

What was the bhp on TDI passat. I seem to remember it being about the 120bhp for the Red D and I no? It had a bit of poke anyway.

Anyway OP do what I did and buy an Alfa GT. 150bhp. Not bad for a diesel. Plenty quick around town and nice for cruisin on the motorway. :P

edit just saw your budget sorry.

greenasgrass

murphyebass wrote: »

Anyway OP do what I did and buy an Alfa GT. 150bhp. Not bad for a diesel. Plenty quick around town and nice for cruisin on the motorway. :P

He/She has €2,000

professore

greenasgrass wrote: »

€2k! Yeah you'll struggle getting a small diesel for that. Not too many options open to you.

Have you thought about a car-van. Something like this.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Citroen/Xsara/1.9-D-VA/201050200583023/advert?channel=CARS

I sold an '02 Peugeot 206 1.4 HDi 5-door CAR (not a van) with 104 K on the clock, full NCT and timing belt done a few months ago for € 2,300. Never gave me a bit of trouble in 4 years ownership, and easy 60+ mpg. Should have asked for more.

Ok it has 68 BHP I think - not a car to set your pulse racing but your wallet will thank you.

kiddums

murphyebass wrote: »

80 / 90bhp

wouldnt be happy about that.

What was the bhp on TDI passat. I seem to remember it being about the 120bhp for the Red D and I no? It had a bit of poke anyway.

Anyway OP do what I did and buy an Alfa GT. 150bhp. Not bad for a diesel. Plenty quick around town and nice for cruisin on the motorway. :P

edit just saw your budget sorry.

It was just Tdi, tho there are a few red i's in my budget range. the red i has 100bhp iirc.

If only..... I would love an Alfa, mabye later.

professore wrote: »

I sold an '02 Peugeot 206 1.4 HDi 5-door CAR (not a van) with 104 K on the clock, full NCT and timing belt done a few months ago for € 2,300. Never gave me a bit of trouble in 4 years ownership, and easy 60+ mpg. Should have asked for more.

Ok it has 68 BHP I think - not a car to set your pulse racing but your wallet will thank you.

I normally don't look at French cars due to the many bad tales I've heard, of dashboards comming off at speed, electrical failures, leaks, rotting pipes etc.
Sounds like a good car tho.

As long as it has more poke than a 1299 fiesta I don't mind if it sets my pulse racing. The ability to overtake is all I want.

kiddums

What do you guys think of this car for suitability for me?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1685080

I know the tax and insurance are going to go up but AFAIK the mondeo is a good running car. The 177k miles seems a bit much tho.
Also what would the power be like in one of these as I'm looking at another of the same model?

greenasgrass

Huge milage, has been on sale for 48 days. May have been a taxi. Also they've taken the photos deliberatly (imho) so you can't see the reg which means you can't check the car out before you go....

I dunno. Don't fancy it too much myself.

kiddums

greenasgrass wrote: »

Huge milage, has been on sale for 48 days. May have been a taxi. Also they've taken the photos deliberatly (imho) so you can't see the reg which means you can't check the car out before you go....

I dunno. Don't fancy it too much myself.

By the looks of the pictures its not too far away from me so I might swing round later and see if I can see it and get the reg.
Don't you have to pay for those checks tho?

So you think its not even worth a look?

greenasgrass

kiddums wrote: »

By the looks of the pictures its not too far away from me so I might swing round later and see if I can see it and get the reg.
Don't you have to pay for those checks tho?

So you think its not even worth a look?

Ah sure if it's in the area go and test drive it and then take the reg. It's about €35 for a full check so you can see how many owners, if it was a taxi, if it was crashed (only if they claimed), stolen, or finance outstanding. No gurantees but a bit more piece of mind. Also wont tell if it's been clocked.

If you like the look of it. Take it for a drive. If nothing is falling off and there's no blue smoke and you still like the look of it use http://www.motorcheck.ie/ or something to get a better idea of the history. If you're still happy enough get a mechanic to look it over. If all that looks good I guess it's a lot of car for the money.

You're going to have limited options with that amount of cash.

kiddums

greenasgrass wrote: »

Ah sure if it's in the area go and test drive it and then take the reg. It's about €35 for a full check so you can see how many owners, if it was a taxi, if it was crashed (only if they claimed), stolen, or finance outstanding. No gurantees but a bit more piece of mind. Also wont tell if it's been clocked.

If you like the look of it. Take it for a drive. If nothing is falling off and there's no blue smoke and you still like the look of it use http://www.motorcheck.ie/ or something to get a better idea of the history. If you're still happy enough get a mechanic to look it over. If all that looks good I guess it's a lot of car for the money.

You're going to have limited options with that amount of cash.

I might just phone about a test drive later. I'll be getting someone to look over anything before I even talk price.

It's looking like Im' limited to an 00/01 mondeo or 97/98 passat? There are some seats too.

The age would put me off the passats.

Raskolnikov

greenasgrass wrote: »

1.9 diesel should have at least 110bhp
1.6 diesel should have about 90bhp
I think a 1.4 petrol should have about 80bhp

I have a 1.9 diesel that has 67 bhp. Likewise, Fiat do a 1.3 litre diesel that does over 100 bhp. It's too simplistic to bracket performance by engine size, you should really be looking at horsepower.

greenasgrass

OK. I should have said with a turbo!

Sorry

kiddums

kiddums wrote: »

What do you guys think of this car for suitability for me?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1685080

I know the tax and insurance are going to go up but AFAIK the mondeo is a good running car. The 177k miles seems a bit much tho.
Also what would the power be like in one of these as I'm looking at another of the same model?

90bhp, I had a 2005 one in 2005/2006, absolute heap of sh1t in my view, broke down twice, DMF and intercooler. Was slow and very noisy. Good on diesel and spacious though, nasty plasticy interior though. that particular one looks best avoided.

kiddums

RoverJames wrote: »

90bhp, I had a 2005 one in 2005/2006, absolute heap of sh1t in my view, broke down twice, DMF and intercooler. Was slow and very noisy. Good on diesel and spacious though, nasty plasticy interior though. that particular one looks best avoided.

Thanks.
I tried to call about it a few times and the phone didn't ring and there was no voicemail.

I did get pointed to a 1l petrol that should keep me going and save me some money till I can afford a better diesel.
I kinda need a car quick too. I have to travel to work and my car got wrote off at the weekend.
I likes that car too.