metritis - is there an over the counter injection available

Bodacious

Just read in the farming indo about keeping an eye for metritis in cows post calving ie difficult calvings/ retained afterbirths etc with a view to getting them back in calf again asap

What's the most obvious clinical sign and is treatment available in ireland over the counter(saw some product on U.S website alright. I know prevention is better than cure good hygiene at assisted calving etc but just wondered what to look out for? Colour of discharge? Foul smell or both?

Any advice most welcome - thanks

jeff greene

As far as I’m aware no, it depends on the severity of it, a shot of Estrumate will clear mild cases. More serious cases need more antibiotics. The use of pessaries or wash outs isn’t advised now by my vet.

Bodacious

jeff greene wrote: »

As far as I’m aware no, it depends on the severity of it, a shot of Estrumate will clear mild cases. More serious cases need more antibiotics. The use of pessaries or wash outs isn’t advised now by my vet.

Excuse my ignorance but whats a pessary ? Im thinking its some bolus thing you but into the uterus to fight infection?

jeff greene

Bodacious wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but whats a pessary ? Im thinking its some bolus thing you but into the uterus to fight infection?

Yes, it releases antibiotics. Haven't used one in years, last time was on a cow with a prolapsed uterus

funny man

Bodacious wrote: »

Just read in the farming indo about keeping an eye for metritis in cows post calving ie difficult calvings/ retained afterbirths etc with a view to getting them back in calf again asap

What's the most obvious clinical sign and is treatment available in ireland over the counter(saw some product on U.S website alright. I know prevention is better than cure good hygiene at assisted calving etc but just wondered what to look out for? Colour of discharge? Foul smell or both?

Any advice most welcome - thanks

the most obvious signs are raised tail, foul smell, sometimes pressing and dirty discharge on tail, you may also see other issues especially mastitis, as always when the cow is off form she can surcum to other problems. The first thing i always go in with is a METRICURE which is dispensed into the womb with a pipette and if she has a tempeture or is in poor form i generally put her on a coarse of Synulox/Noraclav for 3 days.

This is what i do NOT MY ADVICE ON WHAT YOU SHOULD DO!

Bodacious

funny man wrote: »

the most obvious signs are raised tail, foul smell, sometimes pressing and dirty discharge on tail, you may also see other issues especially mastitis, as always when the cow is off form she can surcum to other problems. The first thing i always go in with is a METRICURE which is dispensed into the womb with a pipette and if she has a tempeture or is in poor form i generally put her on a coarse of Synulox/Noraclav for 3 days.

This is what i do NOT MY ADVICE ON WHAT YOU SHOULD DO!

I took a calf backways from one of my cows 2 years ago and it was a massive well muscled CF86 charolais bull calf. she wasn't well after it took couple of days to clean, was down alot and head curled back on herself and generally off form ... called vet and he didnt clarify what she had but mentioned "a chill in the stomach" the more i think about it may have been metritis. He gave me a course of shots and it took ages for her to come right and 6 months before she went back in calf - neraly got rid but she a good cow, ready to calf in next few days again so she was worth minding

But in future could i get this METRICURE over the counter and/or Synulox/Noraclav? Thanks also for your advice on how other people deal with a sick cow post calving:)

jeff greene

What do you mean by over the counter? Almost everything now is POM, so you have to get it from a vet. Does anyone know what a ‘chill in the stomach’ is.

whelan1

well after going through the process myself 3 times , i would not leave a cow who is obviously in discomfort without trying to sort her out , so pessaries would be my number 1 call , if that doesnt work wash out and noroclav and if that doesnt work vet

funny man

Bodacious wrote: »

I took a calf backways from one of my cows 2 years ago and it was a massive well muscled CF86 charolais bull calf. she wasn't well after it took couple of days to clean, was down alot and head curled back on herself and generally off form ... called vet and he didnt clarify what she had but mentioned "a chill in the stomach" the more i think about it may have been metritis. He gave me a course of shots and it took ages for her to come right and 6 months before she went back in calf - neraly got rid but she a good cow, ready to calf in next few days again so she was worth minding

But in future could i get this METRICURE over the counter and/or Synulox/Noraclav? Thanks also for your advice on how other people deal with a sick cow post calving:)

Yes you can, but the metricure will need to be put into the cow by someone competant, an experienced DIY AI man or a vet.

Bodacious

jeff greene wrote: »

What do you mean by over the counter? Almost everything now is POM, so you have to get it from a vet. Does anyone know what a ‘chill in the stomach’ is.

like trying to get blood out of a stone getting anything off of our vet:mad: 40,000 questions and all he wants is the call out!! And useless at that

kboc

Bodacious wrote: »

like trying to get blood out of a stone getting anything off of our vet:mad: 40,000 questions and all he wants is the call out!! And useless at that

time for new vet

funny man

jeff greene wrote: »

What do you mean by over the counter? Almost everything now is POM, so you have to get it from a vet. Does anyone know what a ‘chill in the stomach’ is.

sounds like a condition that covers all symptoms when one is not quite sure what is really wrong!

LostCovey

funny man wrote: »

sounds like a condition that covers all symptoms when one is not quite sure what is really wrong!

Spot On!

It was an old 'folk diagnosis' that some vets use in a snide way.

Sounds better than "I don't know"

LC

jeff greene

funny man wrote: »

sounds like a condition that covers all symptoms when one is not quite sure what is really wrong!

Some vets look down on farmers and think any foolish answer will do him, instead of being honest, they try to milk a few more call outs etc. My vet is anything but, thankfully.

5live

whelan1 wrote: »

well after going through the process myself 3 times , i would not leave a cow who is obviously in discomfort without trying to sort her out , so pessaries would be my number 1 call , if that doesnt work wash out and noroclav and if that doesnt work vet

I think pessaries are now off the market. My vet is recommending an antibiotic bolus but it is for calves(?) and not approved for use as a pessary

whelan1

i have a stock of them

funny man

5live wrote: »

I think pessaries are now off the market. My vet is recommending an antibiotic bolus but it is for calves(?) and not approved for use as a pessary

What bolus is it? i'd like to dig deeper, Metricure does the same job as a pessaries and in my opinion it does a much better one, cows seem to bounce back within a day or so of getting it.

5live

funny man wrote: »

What bolus is it? i'd like to dig deeper, Metricure does the same job as a pessaries and in my opinion it does a much better one, cows seem to bounce back within a day or so of getting it.

Cant think of the name off the top of my head but i think it is synulox bolus. I will find out when i get him next