what are these bikes like?

shamrock55

anyone know anything about these bikes would they be a good first time road bike my budget is 500e http://cgi.ebay.ie/TEMAN-Mens-Racing-Bike-Shimano-21-Gears-Alloy-Frame-/320660461104?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item4aa8da5630 or http://cgi.ebay.ie/NEW-VIKING-TORINO-MENS-ROAD-RACING-BIKE-RRP-499-99-/380319507102?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&var=&hash=item9757e0202e thanks;) if not these could anyone recommend a good bike for around the 500e mark

gman2k

I'd stay away from the 7spd one, the sora equipped bike will be much better.
I could not comment on the value of the bikes, but as always, €500 spent on a good second hand bike from a good bike shop will be money well spent, and way better than any new €500 bike.

ednwireland

these gears arent going to do you any favours (ie you need a compact chainset (36/50) and a 12/27 freewheel

Chainset: Shimano FC-2300 Double 39/53 T chainset, with alloy cranks and a Shimano cartridge BB set.

Gears: Shimano Sora RD-3400, 16 speed gears with Shimano STI dual control levers and a Shimano 12/25 cassette freewheel.

that would put it out of the running straight away if your new to road riding

(and i personally would never spend that much on ebay, know plenty of people who do just not me)

FesterBeatty

I bought a Lapierre Stech 500 for 500 quid on adverts. Crackin bike - my budget was 500 too so I couldnt go for much more. I'd say you'll be far happier with a second hand proper bike for 500 quid than what you can get new for the same price..