Sky News Interview with Gadaffi's Son

RandolphEsq

In the wake of UN suspending Libya from the Human Rights Council, one woman had a sit down interview with Colonel Gadaffi's son. In effect what he was claiming was that the UN acted on the back of mere media reports, that they did not investigate the situation properly. He acknowledges the situation is out of hand but that it is being exaggerated by the media, and the international community are moving too fast so therefore are overreacting.

Perhaps he is trying to shrug off the international pressure in the hope that a counter-attack on the rebels can be instigated?

expectationlost

is there any confirmation of the air bombing of people? i havn't actually seen any.

mal1

I think he playing the last card he has. I reckon that the UN are taking decisions based on more than the reports from Sky News.

expectationlost

mal1 wrote: »

I think he playing the last card he has. I reckon that the UN are taking decisions based on more than the reports from Sky News.

i don't think we can trust the UN security council based on past experience

Raging_Ninja

The Russians are claiming that air strikes did not take place. The US Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs say they have no confirmation that air strikes have taken place.

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/117709/20110302/libya-air-attacks-unconfirmed-robert-gates-mike-mullen-no-fly-zone-hillary-clinton.htm

http://rt.com/news/airstrikes-libya-russian-military/

BrianD

It is interesting. The media reporting is selective and biased and the reality is that we really don't have a clear picture on what is going on.

For example, the situation is being portrayed by the British media of a popular uprising being quashed by a ruthless despot.

On the other hand, is it not that de facto recognaised head of state dealing with an uprising? Again the one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

I have no doubt that the British media is influenced by events of the past - Lockerbie, Northern Ireland and the shooting of the policewoman in London outside the Libyan embassy. Relations may have thawed in recent years but I think that those old scores to be settled remain.

It's also odd that there is no real analysis of who the "rebels" are and what they want to achieve.

expectationlost

BrianD wrote: »

It is interesting. The media reporting is selective and biased and the reality is that we really don't have a clear picture on what is going on.

For example, the situation is being portrayed by the British media of a popular uprising being quashed by a ruthless despot.

well atleast they've started calling them rebels now and i'd be happy with the above description if they stopped saying 'no fly zone' and called it what it really would be invasion, as they need to bomb air defenses to start, not that they haven't already committed acts of war against a sovereign nation with various military teams entering the country without permission.

Raging_Ninja

expectationlost wrote: »

well atleast they've started calling them rebels now and i'd be happy with the above description if they stopped saying 'no fly zone' and called it what it really would be invasion, as they need to bomb air defenses to start, not that they haven't already committed acts of war against a sovereign nation with various military teams entering the country without permission.

Evacuating citizens from a warzone is a bad thing now?

expectationlost

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Evacuating citizens from a warzone is a bad thing now?

its not necessarily bad but it is a transgression and was that all they were up to?

Establishing a no fly zone would be an act of war as it would require knocking out Libya's air defence system. Libya's is the second largest in the Middle East, with 31 major surface-to-air missile sites.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0310/libya.html


can they no not use the term no fly zone on the tv or radio news with out saying what it really means, and not use Iraq as example.

kevin99

A No Fly Zone is where no aircraft is allowed enter.
It does not mean that military aircraft can bomb ground targets.

expectationlost

kevin99 wrote: »

A No Fly Zone is where no aircraft is allowed enter.
It does not mean that military aircraft can bomb ground targets.

oh cop on! how else do ensure the aircraft don't get fired upon

AFP - Enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya would first require bombing the north African nation's air defense systems, top US commander General James Mattis warned on Tuesday.

http://www.france24.com/en/20110301-libya-no-fly-zone-would-require-bombing-raids-us

expectationlost

now we have our non bombing, non US dominated, non fly zone.

it seems gaffadi has escalted the attacks on the cities and there does seem to be scores of people being killed a day in these battles and shellings.

just checking the death toll its gone up could be as much as 10,000!

there's seemingly no deaths and few injuries from the un bombing? maybe gadaffi has evacuated most of the targets?

this is exchange of between myself and IT Mary Fitzgerald after these articles which were on the front page of the Irish Times

'How will they justify the massacre of a country?'
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0317/1224292406560.html

published after the time of the issue aeriel bombing of protestors

'He will be judged for his genocidal actions against his own people'
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0322/1224292776460.html

published around the start of the UN bombing

forgive the twitter talk I've expanded it a bit.

what is with @MaryFitzgerldIT in the IT with headlines about Libyan massacre's and genocide, what genocide? you can't use these quotes as facts.

her reply

@lostexpectation I don't write the headlines

@MaryFitzgerldIT unbelievable, do you think its genocide?

@lostexpectation I have never referred to it as such in any of my copy from Libya

@MaryFitzgerldIT u knew quote would be picked out, as it was similarly in the previous article, u put it in, stand over your work, don't blame editor

@lostexpectation I don't write headlines. That headline was taken from quote in my story and has quote marks.

@MaryFitzgerldIT u agreed rebel opposition are using propaganda too* so why put the quotes in, still no confirmation of aerial bombing of protestors

*mary fitzgeald retweeted this "A general comment: #libya rebels have been avid purveyors of misinformation, as has qaddafi. propaganda is all anyone has known 42yrs." presumably in agreement


so I take it she's doesn't think that genocide is either occurring or being attempted by gadaffi, genocide is much a grosser act then what is going on now, as bad as it is, she knew the genocide quote would be taken as a headline by the IT to justify the bombing as the massacre quote had been taken previously and placed with big letters on the front page as if its fact.


spare me the 'this is how its done' talk, i know i'll still criticise it, the journalist should stand over their work and the paper they work for, mary fitzgerald is perfectly clever enough to know how her copy will be used in way that seems not to reflect her take on the truth of the situation.