Kishoge Development (Lucan) gets the go ahead (with minor conditions).

rgfuller

From An Bord Pleanala - http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/236231.htm

From the developer - http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/property.php?id=57

Original Factsheet - http://www.kishoge.com/

South Dublin County Council

898 residential units, commercial space, retail space, creche, community building, management suite, new road, 1459 car parking spaces, pedestrian crossing.

Case reference: PL06S.236231

Case type: Planning Appeal

Decision: Grant permission with conditions

Date Signed: 24/02/2011

EIS required: Yes

Parties
Shelbourne Development Ltd (Applicant)
Electricity Supply Board (Appellant) (Active)
Derek Keating and Eamon Tuffy (Appellant) (Active)
Shelbourne Developments Ltd (Appellant) (Active)
William Lavelle and Frances Fitzgerald (Appellant) (Active)
Chartridge Developments Ltd (Appellant) (Active)
Siobhan Donnelly and Others (Appellant) (Active)
Electricity Supply Board, (Appellant) (Active)
Derek Keating and Eamon Tuffy, (Appellant) (Active)
William Lavelle and Frances Fitzgerald, (Appellant) (Active)
Siobhan Donnelly and Others, (Appellant) (Active)
History
24/02/2011: Grant permission with conditions
03/03/2010: Lodged

unkel

Permission was always going to be granted. It was part of the sneaky swap deal with the CoCo. Question is though, how long is the permission granted for? Nobody is going to build a 900 unit development anywhere in this country in the next 5 years.

NBW

Does anyone know how much of this is allocated for social housing? Could this place turn into a getto? Seems like an awful lot of apartments and not much commercial development. The photos of development looks an awful eye sore

Also, the Kishogue train station looks completed and standing idol. God only knows when we see the new Luas line.

rgfuller

Looks like approx 200 social housing - if it goes ahead.

Article on it in the IT today - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0303/1224291213431.html

Property group must decide on Lucan site
FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor

A PROPERTY group that posted huge losses last year is now faced with a decision on whether to go ahead with the development of land near Lucan that it agreed to acquire from South Dublin County Council at the height of the boom in November 2006.

Shelbourne Development Ltd, controlled by Garret Kelleher and chiefly known for its abortive Chicago Spire project, swapped land at Cooldrinagh, near Leixlip, for a 41.5-acre site at Kishogue, in the Balgaddy/Clonburris strategic development zone.

Under the contract, Shelbourne would pay €40 million for the site and a further €38,500 for each residential unit it gets permission for over and above 650 units. But Mr Kelleher said this would be offset by the council paying an equivalent sum for 200 social housing units.

Speaking from New York last night, he said the deal was done “prior to the world changing”, and its contract with the council specified Shelbourne now had a period of time to consider what it would do with a project on which it had been working for nearly five years.

Under the contract, 10 per cent of the purchase price would have to be paid within one month of securing planning permission. With the site-related loans now in Nama, it is expected that the State’s “bad bank” will have a role in deciding whether it goes ahead.

Shelbourne had originally sought permission for 973 apartments and houses on the site, but council planners reduced the number of residential units to 898, and granted permission for shops and other community facilities.

After an appeal by the ESB, the Combined Griffeen Planning Action Group representing local residents and Cllr William Lavelle (FG), An Bord Pleanála has approved an amended version of the scheme, with 32 conditions.

The board made its decision having regard to the Department of the Environment’s sustainable residential development guidelines, the South Dublin County Development Plan and the designation of the area as a strategic development zone.

It also took into account the site’s location close to the Dublin-Cork railway line, the pattern of development in the area, Shelbourne’s plan to locate six-storey apartment blocks away from existing two-storey housing, and its phased approach.

Subject to a reduction in the number of residential units to about 850, the board considered the scheme would have an “acceptable density and housing mix” and would not be “excessively high” or seriously injure local amenities.

Mr Lavelle said he was “appalled and gutted” by the ruling: “It beggars belief that An Bord Pleanála could rule that locating six-storey buildings next to two-storey housing would not be visually obtrusive or would not have any impact on traffic.”

He said neither the county council nor the appeals board should have even considered “this massive development” while work on developing the nearby “model town” at Adamstown had stalled. Indeed, he felt Clonburris would “undermine” Adamstown. “Ultimately, the community of Lucan South is now paying a heavy price for very bad decisions taken by the 2004-2009 county council,” he said, adding the council had ignored submissions from many people in the area in adopting the Clonburris local area plan.

The decision was a direct consequence of the land swap, he said, noting An Bord Pleanála had refused permission for the park-and-ride site, citing environmental sensitivities as to the Liffey Valley. So it was “unlikely that the council will ever get to build on the land it received as part of the land-swap”.

“Now that the planning process had been concluded, I will be seeking a full inquiry into this disastrous land-swap,” he said, adding the “only hope now is that market conditions may mean that this over-ambitious proposal will never see the light of the day.”

In February 2010, a company in the Shelbourne Property Group reported a pretax loss of nearly €150 million, largely due to the soaring Chicago Spire project – stalled for at least two years – that was being part-funded by Anglo Irish Bank and is now the subject of litigation.

[End article]

Also tons of documentation on the south dublin cc website - http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD09A/0149&type=decs&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=location&term=kishogue

Where exactly is Kishoge? Is it along the Fonthill Rd or Outer Ring Road?

average_runner

NBW wrote: »

Does anyone know how much of this is allocated for social housing? Could this place turn into a getto? Seems like an awful lot of apartments and not much commercial development. The photos of development looks an awful eye sore

Also, the Kishogue train station looks completed and standing idol. God only knows when we see the new Luas line.

In fairness the luas is the last thing we need in Lucan. The bus service will be quicker than the luas by a long way
Look at Tallaght, the bus takes 30 mins in the morning and the luas takes 45-50 mins. But they lost most of their bus service now except for the 77 and 77a.

rgfuller

foreign wrote: »

Where exactly is Kishoge? Is it along the Fonthill Rd or Outer Ring Road?

It's to the West of the outer ring road. Here's a view looking northerly with the Outer Ring Road on the right.

jimmycrackcorm

rgfuller wrote: »

It's to the West of the outer ring road. Here's a view looking northerly with the Outer Ring Road on the right.

That doesn't look correct to me. The railway station is shown on the wrong side of the road and the educate together school is a bit more north.

Still it's bizarre that more accomodation would be built with the glut in the country.

unkel

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That doesn't look correct to me. The railway station is shown on the wrong side of the road and the educate together school is a bit more north.

You're half right

The railway station is mainly on the eastern side of the road. In the picture it is on the western side. That's where some of the station is, as well as the parking area

The educate together school is correctly marked. This is the Lucan East educate together school, you're probably thinking of the Griffeen Valley educate together school just on the other side of Griffeen avenue. BTW the LEET (cool name :cool:) is more than doubling in size at the moment

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Still it's bizarre that more accomodation would be built with the glut in the country.

It's only planning permission. I doubt anyone will actually build any housing there in the next few years...

unkel

Email from William Lavelle this evening:

Dear Friends,

Further to my last email re: Clonburris….

At today’s council meeting, I tabled a motion seeking an update on the controversial development proposed by Shelbourne Developments to build over 800 high-density residential units on lands next to Griffeen Avenue subject to the Clonburris LAP. This proposal was granted planning permission in February by an Bord Pleanala despite a massive campaign of objections mounted by local residents and supported by me.

In response to my motion, council management openly admitted (what we all already suspected) that this many planning permission MAY NEVER BE BUILT but that Shelbourne Developments were being given time to consider their options.

I made clear at today’s council meeting that if Shelbourne Development advise that they are not to progress with this planning permission then I want the controversial Clonburris Local Area Plan to be revisited by councillors before they submit a new application.

The current LAP was adopted in 2008 by the last council (of which I was not a member) and I have consistently argued that this masterplan was overly-ambitious having being prepared at the peak of the property boom, that it significantly understated the traffic impact and that it should never have allowed 6-storey buildings to be permitted right next door to existing two-storey housing.

I will not give up on my efforts to stop these unsustainable development proposals and as always I will keep you updated.


Councillor William Lavelle

Fine Gael - Working for Lucan & Palmerstown

16 Lána na bPáirce,
Ballyowen Lane,
Lucan,
Co. Dublin.

087 410 7885
wlavelle@sdublincoco.ie

visit: www.williamlavelle.ie

jimmycrackcorm

Out of interest - is the railway station due to open any time soon? It looks finished enough....

unkel

There are no plans to open it, unfortunately.