Venting prevents explosion. (anti electorate mini-rant)

Terry

I need to do this, even though it will probably be locked and/or deleted.

1916 was 95 years ago. The civil war ended 88 years ago. It's time to let go of the alliegances betweer FF and FG.

For the entire history of the state we have been under the control of the same two parties with the same agenda, and, for the most part, they are only elected because of bull**** alliances to events from the past.

Listen, just because your Great Grand Father was at Béal na mBláth does not mean that you have to vote for FG, or just becasue De Valera shook your Great Great Grandmother's hand does not mean that you have to vote FF.

Please, at the next election (which will be in just a couple of years because FG and Labour won't get along. In saying that, they have a huge mess to clean up, but people are impatient, and will not give them time to clean up the mess left behing. Then they'll just vote FF back into power, they'll build on the work of the FG/Labour government and make themselves look good, people will be happy for a couple of years, and will then see through FF again, vote FG back in and some politician will promise to re-build the swings and round-a-bouts) look at the candidates and judge them on their merits, and not on the political rhetoric they spew on your doorstep.


What's the alternative?
Well if you actually read this, then you see the alternative.

Ok. I'll dumb it down.
Do not vote for someone just because they belong to a particular political party, or because your daddy told you to vote for them.
Vote for them based upon their merits.

Do not vote for FG because FF pissed you off.
They are both centre-right, and have the same basic philosophy.
Do not vote for SF because you dream of a united Ireland. It's not financially viable, and would only lead to more strife.
Do not vote for Labour because the seem like the only other alternative.

Vote for the person who has done the most work. The person who has either spent most days in the Dáil fighting to help you, or a newbie who has spent the most time working for your community.

Just do some ****ing research before casting your vote. Please.

Finally, welcome to 5 more years of FF FG.
Hey, you voted for them.
Cuts ahoy.

gandalf

FF are not right wing at all. They are supposed to be Centre Left but in reality they are a totally populist party who will do what it takes to hold on to power no matter what the cost to the country FG on the hand are Centre Right and you are right they will be implementing cuts and given the condition of the countries finances that is exactly what is needed.

It is ****ing arrogant to think people who voted for FG like me did not do their research first. I voted based on the policies that were being put forward.

mgmt

Terry wrote: »

Ok. I'll dumb it down.


Do not vote for FG because FF pissed you off.
They are both centre-right, and have the same basic philosophy.

Just do some ****ing research before casting your vote. Please.

Please do some research yourself.

Shelga

We need cuts, and lots of them. Which is precisely why I voted FG, even though I don't think they'll go far enough.

lugha

Terry wrote: »

Vote for the person who has done the most work. The person who has either spent most days in the Dáil fighting to help you, or a newbie who has spent the most time working for your community.

Council elections are not for another couple of years.

Terry wrote: »

Cuts ahoy.

Indeed. But when you earn less than you spend .....

Dave!

Great thread, thanks for this...

Poor Craythur

Terry wrote: »

Ok. I'll dumb it down.

That's big of you.

dsmythy

I voted for Fine Gael because I thought they were the best party....

Terry

gandalf wrote: »

FF are not right wing at all. They are supposed to be Centre Left but in reality they are a totally populist party who will do what it takes to hold on to power no matter what the cost to the country.

Yep. Centre right.
The exact same as FG.
FG will do whatever it takes to get into power and hold onto it.

FG on the hand are Centre Right and you are right they will be implementing cuts and given the condition of the countries finances that is exactly what is needed.

Of course cuts are needed, but they will undoubtedly screw over the poorest people, just like FF.

If FF are populist, then why do they continue to screw over the poorest people?
The poverty stricken and the working class make up the majority of the population.
FG will **** over the exact same people. The middle class and the upper class will benefit from a FG majority government. Nothing has changed.

It is ****ing arrogant to think people who voted for FG like me did not do their research first. I voted based on the policies that were being put forward.

I'm an arrogant bastard, but I can still see that FG will implement the exact same policies as FF.
Time will prove me right.

Dave! wrote: »

Great thread, thanks for this...

You're welcome.
You should subscribe to it. Instant e-mail notifications.


Listen, I agree that cuts are needed, but it will still be the poorest of people who are targeted.
FF and FG are afraid to hit the highest earners. They'll hit the lowest earners instead, and keep their corporate buddies happy by keeping corporate tax low, and not raising tax for those in the upper band.

As a little consolation to the povs, they'll leave they'll only raise the lower tax band by 1% or so.

Everyone will pay for the results of this election in the long term, but the poor will be hit first, second and last.

Those earning over €50,000 a year will walk away untouched, even though they should be paying more tax.

dsmythy

So who are you telling us to vote for?

Moriarty

Terry wrote: »

Everyone will pay for the results of this election in the long term, but the poor will be hit first, second and last.

The way it should be, since anyone that's poor obviously deserves to be since they're societal failures. How does it feel to be a failure?

Hey look, I just contributed to this thread as much as you did. God that's great. Well done us.

K-9

Tbh civil war politics has been replaced by parish pump politics.

FF are masters at it, despite the meltdown and FG no different. SF for all the radicalism, are the same, it's mostly what they do at a at a local level.

Probably the one party that is above all that got hammered, the Greens.

johngalway

K-9 wrote: »

SF for all the radicalism, are the same, it's mostly what they do at a at a local level.

After watching the national results for SF I started asking myself "What are they doing in constituencies that are getting them these footholds?".

Then, I started paying better attention to SF threads, interviews and comment.

Guess what they're doing?

The same damn thing as every one else, except in a louder and way more aggressive form and specifically targeting certain demographics and disillusioned people.

They're a very determined Parish Pump Party!

K-9

johngalway wrote: »

After watching the national results for SF I started asking myself "What are they doing in constituencies that are getting them these footholds?".

Then, I started paying better attention to SF threads, interviews and comment.

Guess what they're doing?

The same damn thing as every one else, except in a louder and way more aggressive form and specifically targeting certain demographics and disillusioned people.

They're a very determined Parish Pump Party!

I know the term FF lite gets thrown at FG and FG lite at Labour.

I think FF lite sits very well with SF. Hence why FF don't transfer to SF well, mirror image!

meglome

Terry wrote: »

Ok. I'll dumb it down.
Do not vote for someone just because they belong to a particular political party, or because your daddy told you to vote for them.
Vote for them based upon their merits.

Let me dumb it down. I haven't a fúcking clue who my family voted for in the past nor do I give a shít. I voted on the best option available i.e. FG. In an ideal world I'd have preferred another option but there wasn't one.

Terry wrote: »

Vote for the person who has done the most work. The person who has either spent most days in the Dáil fighting to help you, or a newbie who has spent the most time working for your community.

With the whip system we have here politicians toe the party line so the best option available is to choose the best party. Failing that a like minded independent. Unfortunately when a politician is 'helping' it usually means taking credit for the potholes being fixed and the like. Should I vote for John O'Donoghue after all he did build that nice sports hall he gave his parting speech in?

Terry wrote: »

Just do some ****ing research before casting your vote. Please.

Exactly what I fúcking did.

Terry wrote: »

Finally, welcome to 5 more years of FF FG.
Hey, you voted for them.
Cuts ahoy.

Even if your claim that FF and FG are both centre right parties is true a bunch of untrained chimps couldn't get it as wrong as FF.

Cuts are badly needed as we pissed all the money from the bubble away on that great benchmarking idea.

gandalf

Terry unfortunately if you spend most of your cash on the poorest and you no longer have enough revenue you have to look at curbing it where it is being spent. If it means that Unemployment benefit or allowance has to be cut so be it. With over 450,000 on the registry something has to be done and this is coming from someone who has been unemployed for nearly 6 months.

Also FF are not a Centre Right party, the only reason they implemented cuts is because they had no choice because of the mess they had already made of the economy. If they are centre right explain the table posted in http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70925436&postcount=3. I don't think it is normal for a party with right wing leaning to make government bigger.

I voted for a party who I thought based on their policies would get people back working as soon as possible by creating an environment where SME's could start to grow again. I also voted for a party who had credible policies for reform of the political system. FG's doesn't go far enough and isn't as radical as I would like but at least it is a start.

So I have explained why I made my decisions to vote how about you explain to us who you voted for and the reasons you voted for them Terry. I am sure you can "dumb it down" for us in an appropriate fashion

Permabear

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