remap vs chip

celica1994

hey, was recently looking around ebay and noticed tuning chips for my 130bhp passat priced at around 50 euros, was wondering what everyones opinion on the chips are, one advantage of it i can see against the remap is that at least if i wasnt happy about the fuel consumption i could just remove the chip, what does everyone else think?

Nonoperational

Those chips are useless. A proper remap is the only way to go.

celica1994

just wondering tho, whats the downside to the chips?

Satanta

See this thread

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056161930

Neilw

Chipping was an old way of increasing performance, the ecu was opened and a chip removed, reflashed and then replaced or in some cases a piggyback chip was used.
Now days remapping is done through the cars diagnostic port, it's quicker and safer as there is no messing with opening the ecu.

celica1994

cheers, just wondering if anyone has installed a chip or has any experience with them

daRobot

Do you not see that your question has been answered?

Stay away from chips, they're rubbish. But seeing as you're not listening to any advice given here, why not buy one and find that out for yourself.

B00MSTICK

Neils post regarding chipping may have confused him.

The chip on ebay is probably not a proper ECU chip, more than likely its a resistor to trick your car into running rich.

You can get actual chips that work but they will cost more than €50.

What's the car and we can advise.

Nonoperational

That ebay "chip" is a €1 resistor that fools the ECU into running rich. Useless piece of crap.

A good remap is about €250 - €300. Nothing else to say on it.

unnameduser

I had a 130bhp passat before. Got it remapped for €250 and it was excellent. I reckon you're better off going down the same route. Good luck

Gumbo

celica1994 wrote: »

hey, was recently looking around ebay and noticed tuning chips for my 130bhp passat priced at around 50 euros, was wondering what everyones opinion on the chips are, one advantage of it i can see against the remap is that at least if i wasnt happy about the fuel consumption i could just remove the chip, what does everyone else think?

celica1994 wrote: »

just wondering tho, whats the downside to the chips?

celica1994 wrote: »

cheers, just wondering if anyone has installed a chip or has any experience with them

so it looks like you dont to listen to the advice given :rolleyes:
go ahead buy the chip, all it does is trick your car in to thinking its got more fuel/air so advances the ignition/ ups boost but in actual fact your car is still running the factory set up air/fuel ratio :eek:

end result = blown engine


Edit - Assumed OP had a Celica, Not a Passat as in the OP, me so blind

Gumbo

OSI wrote: »

So it looks like you dont to the [sic] OP's post before replying and criticising :rolleyes:

my mistake on car type, sorry.
but my criticising is still valid :rolleyes:

the OP asked for info on "chips", he was told of the pitfalls, and yet he still wanted info about using them.

OP, my post still stands, stay away from the €50 chips, get a proper remap by www.autoremap.ie or joe at chippedire.

YouTookMyName

Why does a car with 130bhp need a remap anyway?

PaulKK

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Why does a car with 130bhp need a remap anyway?

Surely you jest?

gofaster_s13

Just remember to notify your insurance co. of the chip/remap as if the car is involved in an accident and you failed to declare the modification they can come after you for costs when they discover the undeclared remap/chip.

Atomic Pineapple

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Why does a car with 130bhp need a remap anyway?

Having only 130 bhp would be the main reason I'd imagine.

Satanta

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

Just remember to notify your insurance co. of the chip/remap as if the car is involved in an accident and you failed to declare the modification they can come after you for costs when they discover the undeclared remap/chip.

You "should" inform them. Though I believe there is no way of telling if they have been remapped:

http://www.chippedire.com/faqs.php?id=10&pg_name=What_about_my_insurance

However with the tuning boxes it is fairly easy to tell

gofaster_s13

Satanta wrote: »

You "should" inform them. Though I believe there is no way of telling if they have been remapped:

http://www.chippedire.com/faqs.php?id=10&pg_name=What_about_my_insurance

However with the tuning boxes it is fairly easy to tell

Police and insurance co's are receiving new systems called the Crashcube and Vincube(some already have them) which are able to tell whether the vehicle has been remapped(along with lots of other information).

http://crashcube.nl/page8.html

gofaster_s13

OSI wrote: »

There's always the defence that the car was bought pre-mapped unknowingly...

The Vincube can tell the date the map was altered on.

Satanta

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but their solution reads certain data from a vehicle after a "confrontation". Reading one of their pages it assumes that the car would be equipt with an EDR (Event Data Recorder) to obtain all the relevant information. It seems that these units (EDR) will not be present by law until 2013.

In summary: American cars have been equipped with EDR which is readable with Bosch US CDR equipment; European and Asian cars sold after 2013 in the US/Canada will have to be equipped with EDR. The data may be read with Bosch US CDR although this has not been legally regulated;
Crash Cube is a temporary solution. It allows for data to be extracted from European and Asian cars not equipped with EDR. These data can then be used for accident analysis. These data (so-called freeze frames) only contain information relating to the moment of impact. This contrast with EDR which also registers pre impact data. (the time varies with the manufacturer).
Should the EU decide to follow the American/Canadian EDR regulation then the Crash Cube can be adapted to extract EDR data additional to the Bosch US equipment.

The CrashCube can get some data from the car like:

* Hard- and software obtain the information from engine management;
* Speed of the vehicle.
* Engine temperature at the moment of the confrontation.
* Rpm of the engine at the time of the confrontation.
* Intake manifold pressure.
* The voltage of the battery.
* Position of the throttle
* VIN number.
* Mileage.
* Time when it occurs.

Where is this data stored in current ECU's?

gofaster_s13

Satanta wrote: »

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but their solution reads certain data from a vehicle after a "confrontation". Reading one of their pages it assumes that the car would be equipt with an EDR (Event Data Recorder) to obtain all the relevant information. It seems that these units (EDR) will not be present by law until 2013.



The CrashCube can get some data from the car like:



Where is this data stored in current ECU's?

All obd ECM's already store this information, they record 5-10sec's of information which is automatically overwritten every 5-10secs unless it detects accident parameters in which case it permanantly stores all info(in the case of canbus equipped cars records all info from all ecm's) I've seen a demo of these been used and it was able to tell the driver of an A4 was changing radio stations at time of impact. ECM's also record every time diagnostic tools and remap tools are plugged into the OBD port.

Satanta

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

All obd ECM's already store this information, they record 5-10sec's of information which is automatically overwritten every 5-10secs unless it detects accident parameters in which case it permanantly stores all info(in the case of canbus equipped cars records all info from all ecm's) I've seen a demo of these been used and it was able to tell the driver of an A4 was changing radio stations at time of impact. ECM's also record every time diagnostic tools and remap tools are plugged into the OBD port.

Thanks...

That really is a pain in the stones. I had pretty much made up my mind to get a remap.

tossy

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Why does a car with 130bhp need a remap anyway?

Gay bryne ? is that you ? :rolleyes:

draffodx wrote: »

Having only 130 bhp would be the main reason I'd imagine.

Damn right! lol

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

Police and insurance co's are receiving new systems called the Crashcube and Vincube(some already have them) which are able to tell whether the vehicle has been remapped(along with lots of other information).

http://crashcube.nl/page8.html

I tell you what i'll have an opened ended bet with you,the day Irish police or Irish insurance companies are equipped with that technology or anything like it i'll carry out any forfeit you see fit as it iwll never happen.Its like wen i used to watch Beyond 2000 re runs in 1990 when i was a kid and they were reviewing a flying car and at the end the said the expect the car to be in production by 1988 lol

I've seen your average Irish insurance assessor in action up close and looking into an engine bay they resembled a cow starring at the sky on thundery day!

gofaster_s13

tossy wrote: »

I tell you what i'll have an opened ended bet with you,the day Irish police or Irish insurance companies are equipped with that technology or anything like it i'll carry out any forfeit you see fit as it iwll never happen.Its like wen i used to watch Beyond 2000 re runs in 1990 when i was a kid and they were reviewing a flying car and at the end the said the expect the car to be in production by 1988 lol

I've seen your average Irish insurance assessor in action up close and looking into an engine bay they resembled a cow starring at the sky on thundery day!

The Gaurds are already trialing it as they were involved with its development with UCD. The average assessor won't need the kit, they'll just have a small unit like a memorystick that they just plug into the 16 pin OBD socket and download the information for someone else to interpret(when you buy the unit, you will also get the interpretation service for which an annual subscription will have to be paid), obviously it won't be used for every tip or fender bender but it will be used for serious road traffic accidents etc. The unit will potentially be cheaper than a lot of the current higher end diagnostic tools and will also be a powerful diagnostic tool in its own right.

Timmaay

Do you know what department in UCD they were involved with? Do you have any more info on it? I'm interested in it as I'm in UCD and involved with OBD dataloggers and have never heard about that!

YouTookMyName

draffodx wrote: »

Having only 130 bhp would be the main reason I'd imagine.

I've driven a 130bhp passat and A4 and it's more than enough. Wouldn't a remap on a engine with 125000miles on it not shorten the life of the engine?

Gumbo

YouTookMyName wrote: »

I've driven a 130bhp passat and A4 and it's more than enough. Wouldn't a remap on a engine with 125000miles on it not shorten the life of the engine?

no, and no

130bhp is nothing, and a remap will not shorten the life of anything aslong as you look after the car and service it properly regulary (sp).

voxpop

kceire wrote: »

no, and no
a remap will not shorten the life of anything as long as you look after the car and service it properly regularly (sp).

It can highlight a failing clutch / turbo though

Atomic Pineapple

YouTookMyName wrote: »

I've driven a 130bhp passat and A4 and it's more than enough.

More than enough for what? You? I've a car with 260bhp and its still not enough!*


*And I get stick for driving like a granny

celica1994

well id love to remap the car, but 300 euros is very steep pricing especially in a recession!

YouTookMyName

Just don't see the point in having that much power, when there's only 1 decent racetrack in the country and the roads are ****e.

130bhp is more than enough for getting up to speed and overtaking safely, imho.

I'd be paranoid about the engine damage that could be caused.

Each to there own though.

celica1994

oh i wont argue any points on the debate, only experience i have is that a friend got it done on his golf and seemed pretty happy with it, was really nippy too