Could FF be returned through the Seanad Back Door.

Uncle Ben

Now that Coughlan, Hanafin, O Rourke, Roche etc etc have all been rejected by the public, could someone please inform me, could any of the FF/GP rejects be returned through Seanad Eireann? Nothing would surprise me.

Seth Brundle

Given that Dan Boyle and Ivor Callelly managed to get a spot then it is possible. However, the choice is Mr. Kenny's

Raging_Ninja

Why would a Taoiseach nominate people from the Opposition?

Uncle Ben

Thanks, I was getting a bit worried.

MidlandsM

.......and even if he did chose some from the opposition, the seanad is going to get the heave ho, as per fg's plans.

StupidLikeAFox

kbannon wrote: »

Given that Dan Boyle and Ivor Callelly managed to get a spot then it is possible.

They were members of government parties though. Can't see Enda rewarding failed FFers

jlang

Some will undoubtedly be elected to the Seanad, but FF got thrashed in the last local elections as well so they won't have the votes to elect too many. FG and Labour have the councillor votes to get quite a few Senators elected directly and don't have to reward too many failed Dail candidates or need to guarantee a majority. Should allow scope for some interesting choices in Kenny's 11 nominations and I'm looking forward to seeing who he picks. Although going as far as appointing a Minister from outside the elected Dail would leave a senior party member disappointed so I can't see that happening. (All this is before he abolishes the Seanad of course).

Seth Brundle

ColHol wrote: »

They were members of government parties though. Can't see Enda rewarding failed FFers

I suppose that my point was that electoral rejects can get appointed but it will be the Taoiseach that nominates them. However, yes, the Taoiseach is unlikely to nominate one from another party.

maglite

Tioseach elects 11 people.
There are 60 odd people in the Seanad.


Leaves a bit of room for FF

questionmark?

Of course the NUI's and Trinity alumni get to elect some as well.


Seanad has to have serious reform or be abolished totally, giving us the pleasure of not having to listen to David Norris or Dan Boyle!

takun

maglite wrote: »

Tioseach elects 11 people.
There are 60 odd people in the Seanad.


Leaves a bit of room for FF

Not really. Most of the others are elected either by local representatives from around the country, where FF are poorly represented compared to the others, especially FG, or by the University panels, and FF leaning candidates don't tend to do very well there either.

You can be sure though that there will be a hell of a scramble for what seats are going.

patdshaker

kbannon wrote: »

Given that Dan Boyle and Ivor Callelly managed to get a spot then it is possible. However, the choice is Mr. Kenny's

How about this?



As seen in Cork City

Fr Tod Umptious

questionmark? wrote: »

Of course the NUI's and Trinity alumni get to elect some as well.


Seanad has to have serious reform or be abolished totally, giving us the pleasure of not having to listen to David Norris or Dan Boyle!

If I recall the university panels are independents (Share Ross, David Norris, Ronan Mullen etc) so no party members elected there

jmayo

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Now that Coughlan, Hanafin, O Rourke, Roche etc etc have all been rejected by the public, could someone please inform me, could any of the FF/GP rejects be returned through Seanad Eireann? Nothing would surprise me.

As other poster stated it will be hard for them.
They won't get nominated by Kenny or his sidekick Gilmore.
The ff party lost lot of council seats so they will find it harder to get council backing and they won't get elected by universities.

kbannon wrote: »

Given that Dan Boyle and Ivor Callelly managed to get a spot then it is possible. However, the choice is Mr. Kenny's

Exactly Kenny makes the choice there and there will also be demands from Gilmore so no there won't be any ffers invited in.
BTW I reckon Pat Cox could be nominated by Enda.
Gilmore will want ivana to get in as per usual.

EvilMonkey

Kenny wants us to vote in a referendum to remove the Seanad, filling it with FF rejects would go a long way to making that happen!

Sierra Oscar

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Why would a Taoiseach nominate people from the Opposition?

I think you are forgetting that the Taoiseach does not nominate people to the majority of positions in the Senate.

Raging_Ninja

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I think you are forgetting that the Taoiseach does not nominate people to the majority of positions in the Senate.

No, other people elect them. The tone of the OP seemed to suggest that they could be appointed by an outside process.

Sierra Oscar

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

No, other people elect them. The tone of the OP seemed to suggest that they could be appointed by an outside process.

Ah sorry, I misinterpreted your post.

Do we have any idea how many seats each party should be able to gain in the Seanad?

paul71

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Ah sorry, I misinterpreted your post.

Do we have any idea how many seats each party should be able to gain in the Seanad?

I would only be guessing so not going to attempt at numbers but I would say that it would have heavy FG / lab representation. There are 3 ways into senate, 11 government nominations so we can assume they will be FG/Lab. Election by the local councilers, since FF have lost about 130 councilers in last 2 local elections we can assum a wipeout here too, interestingly watch out for a few SF getting in by this route.

Final way in election by university graduates, these do not usually elect to many FF but potientially could be some. Overall I think FF will have lower representation in senead than they do in the Dail.

Mr.Micro

We can be assured we will have some FF stinkers put in the Séanad in the Callelly mode.....or O'Rourke, Lenihan and some of the other FF despicable types, so that they can keep warm on unlimited expenses until the next election.

paul71

Mr.Micro wrote: »

We can be assured we will have some FF stinkers put in the Séanad in the Callelly mode.....or O'Rourke, Lenihan and some of the other FF despicable types, so that they can keep warm on unlimited expenses until the next election.

Sorry, Mr.Micro but it can't happen, I explained the process of selection for the Seanad. If you re-read it you can see it is not possible.

In the past when FF did not win a general election they still had a majority of councillors in the local authorities and that is how they got their Senators in. This is no longer the case.

FF did not just lose in this election they lost heavily in the last two local elections and that will be reflected in the Senate.

Sierra Oscar

paul71 wrote: »

I would only be guessing so not going to attempt at numbers but I would say that it would have heavy FG / lab representation. There are 3 ways into senate, 11 government nominations so we can assume they will be FG/Lab. Election by the local councilers, since FF have lost about 130 councilers in last 2 local elections we can assum a wipeout here too, interestingly watch out for a few SF getting in by this route.

Final way in election by university graduates, these do not usually elect to many FF but potientially could be some. Overall I think FF will have lower representation in senead than they do in the Dail.

FF still have 407 councillors, compared to FG's 556 & Labours 231.

SF only have 127.

If Labour & FG cannot come up with a Seanad election pact then the likelihood is that FF will gain quite a number of Seanad positions.

Carol_1985

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Now that Coughlan, Hanafin, O Rourke, Roche etc etc have all been rejected by the public, could someone please inform me, could any of the FF/GP rejects be returned through Seanad Eireann? Nothing would surprise me.

I can't see too many of these High profile failed TD's getting elected to the Seanad. FF is massively depleted in the Dáil, they are going to need to use their senators more. I think anyone that FF will be putting in the Seanad will be put there to increase their profile and chances of being elected to the Dáil next time around.

I really don't see them having many senators, but anyone that they get in you can be sure it will be used to raise profiles for the next election

paul71

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

FF still have 407 councillors, compared to FG's 556 & Labours 231.

SF only have 127.

If Labour & FG cannot come up with a Seanad election pact then the likelihood is that FF will gain quite a number of Seanad positions.

A number but much fewer than in the past, the numbers you quote support this. When taken with the 11 appointed by the Taoiseach and the fact the Graduates tend to elect independants it will be a wipeout akin to that in the dail.

Gaolcon

Hopefully no FF or any party will get elected/appointed to Seanad, as i hope the whole thing will be disbanded as promised by Shane Ross in his election manifesto.

Our man in Havana

Gaolcon wrote: »

Hopefully no FF or any party will get elected/appointed to Seanad, as i hope the whole thing will be disbanded as promised by Shane Ross in his election manifesto.

That can't happen in the immediate short term. There will be an election in the next few weeks for the Seanad. It is likely that the Seanad will vote for it's abolition in due course.

There will be at least one more Seanad.

John McCarthyy

Those predicting the ultimate demise and destruction of Fianna Fail are going to be disappointed - although it should be embraced by right thinking conservative republicans.

Ireland needs a proper conservative party- that stands for small government, prudent spending and ultimatly the re-unification of this Island for the economic benefit of the country.

This new departure in Irish politics should be the re-emergence of the ideals of clann na poblachta - the party that was 50 years before its time!

The new fianna fail should get back to basics, republican values that empower the individual, the family and rely less on crony politics that has destroyed the fabric of this country and society. This in historical terms could be the election that properly defined Irish politics between left and right - the new right party being an amalgamation of the right thinking independents, elements of Fianna Fail, and the future disaffected deputies of Fine Gael. These disaffected deputies are about to be lead into government with Labour who are going to be so afraid of having their clothes taken by Sinn Fein that they will move more left in an effort to placate the lunatic element. Fine gael and deputy Kenny will allow this to happen. Elements of Fianna Fail will move to the left and some to the right - but ultimately a new party will need to be formed - we are facing years of Bolshevic bull**** and trotsky tosh from the left who spent the election debate lying and living in a world of fantasy!

Those of a conservative mentality need to prepare the way the left has prepared for this election..

PeterIanStaker

Not if the Seanad is abolished, like I hope it will be. We need less of these parasites.