Labour + unions= More parish pump poltics

yeahme

Just heard that siptu sent out a letter to its members telling them to vote Labour on thursday.
Now its seems that single letter could have turned out to be a master stroke for Labour,
It seems that Parish Pump Politics is still alive and well thanks to labour and the unions.

Lefticus Loonaticus

I think the unions are perfectly entitled to defend themselves against what fine gael would do given half a chance.

Get some perspective.

yeahme

Im fully aware of perspective. But this smacks of parish pump politics to the core. Siptu and other unions represent about (100,000 people cant find source uptodate). So does this to you as a voter represent parish pump politics in all its glory? (except in a bigger and wider context)

thetonynator

Labour + unions= More parish pump poltics

Yeah, and 1+1=3

:rolleyes:

Lefticus Loonaticus

yeahme wrote: »

Im fully aware of perspective. But this smacks of parish pump politics to the core. Siptu and other unions represent about (100,000 people cant find source uptodate). So does this to you as a voter represent parish pump politics in all its glory? (except in a bigger and wider context)

Ictu represents 832,000 people and Labour is their catalyst.
http://www.ictu.ie/about/.

thetonynator

yeahme wrote: »

Im fully aware of perspective. But this smacks of parish pump politics to the core. Siptu and other unions represent about (100,000 people cant find source uptodate). So does this to you as a voter represent parish pump politics in all its glory? (except in a bigger and wider context)

Parish pump politics, in a bigger perspective, is national politics.

CDfm

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

I think the unions are perfectly entitled to defend themselves against what fine gael would do given half a chance.

Get some perspective.

The decisions and debates of the coallition & the "social partners" should be open as they are in countries like the US.

We still have the senate - so why not appoint their representatives there and keep it public.

In Ireland we have too many cute hoors and Labour are supposed to act for all the people and not just the unions public service members.

Dyr

Fine Gael or Fianna Fail will be supported by IBEC and the Farmers Associations depending on who gives them the most concessions, why would the unions not do the same with labour? If anything the lack of a second left wing party makes labours life easy when it comes to keeping the unions on their side.

gcgirl

Bambi wrote: »

Fine Gael or Fianna Fail will be supported by IBEC and the Farmers Associations depending on who gives them the most concessions, why would the unions not do the same with labour? If anything the lack of a second left wing party makes labours life easy when it comes to keeping the unions on their side.

Add Iona institute, Coir, Catholic church, pro life groups to FF and FG support groups

CDfm

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Ictu represents 832,000 people and Labour is their catalyst.
http://www.ictu.ie/about/.

ICTU dont put candidates forward for the dail and until they do they should not be involved.

Simple.

Killer Pigeon

Labour are set to win 36 seats, a historic high.

Your cringe-worthy begrudging right-wing scaremongering isn't working.

yeahme

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Ictu represents 832,000 people and Labour is their catalyst.
http://www.ictu.ie/about/.

WOW they have a lobby group of that much J.H.C. I was thinking somewhere in the lines of 100,000 I found on google a few minutes ago.
what union is rte a part of?

Lefticus Loonaticus

CDfm wrote: »

The decisions and debates should be open as they are in countries like the US.

The US has a disgraceful record of workers rights. You would do well to point out a european example, considering we are in the EU and not on any other continent.

The right wing in the US are currently trying to destroy workers rights and the trade union movement. The european right would never dare such a thing because they would get their ass handed to them.

invinciblePRSTV

Good gried OP do you even know what 'parish pump' politics means? Let me outline it for you; it's the prioritising of local concerns/issues by elected members when they are elected to national office/or when they place these concerns above the national interest when fulfilling their legislative role.

You want to have a moan about the Trade Unions and their influence on the Labour Party then go ahead, but don't confuse your terms. I'd love a good old debate about Trade Union political funds, but seeing as we've just seen FG - fat from corporate donations they say they'll ban this time round although Enda Kenny unbanned them when he needed money for this election - i can't see it happening.

Lockstep

SIPTU putting that out there is no surprise. They're a private-sector-majority union who is affiliated to the Labour Party.

Steodonn

Every party has their backers and lobbyists. Labours happen to be the unions

yeahme

Steodonn wrote: »

Every party has their backers and lobbyists. Labours happen to be the unions

my point exactly,

Int the past the church held sway upto the nineties even as far as the 00's
Next came the developers and the bankers,
Will the union lobby act the same as the church, developers and *ankers,
Why did the unions have to get involved on such a big scale? parish pump politics and scaremongering should not be a basis for voting

CDfm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Labour are set to win 36 seats, a historic high.

Your cringe-worthy begrudging right-wing scaremongering isn't working.

And it is to be applauded they managed their campaign well.

What a lot of people feel is a spin is Public Service Workers are the best Paid, then comes the private sector worker (avarage joes) and then the unemployed .

The private sector worker & commercial semi state company worker produces goods & services for money.

The Civil Servant , Non Commercial Semi State Worker and Unemployed all get paid in some way from tax levied on those above. ( the Establishment )

So the public service workers are the best off and are the haves.

The private sector worker and unemployed are the worst off.

So if the "left wing parties " were more straight up they would be fighting the establishment for the rest if us.

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

The US has a disgraceful record of workers rights. You would do well to point out a european example, considering we are in the EU and not on any other continent.

The right wing in the US are currently trying to destroy workers rights and the trade union movement. The european right would never dare such a thing because they would get their ass handed to them.

What I meant was in the USA if an act of congress is going thru the individual members vote without a whip and negotiations and lobbying are in the open.

This is about the operation of our parliment and if people are against cosy deals with developers they should also be against cosy deals with unions and cosy deals between unions and the public service.

Nothing I am saying here could be construed as remotely right wing.

Labours vested interests are the public service workers and whats happening at the moment is that the private sector workers have taken a right hammering.

Once you get thru the double speak the Labour Party is not representing the disadvantaged.It cant be.

kildarecommuter

yeahme wrote: »

Just heard that siptu sent out a letter to its members telling them to vote Labour on thursday.
Now its seems that single letter could have turned out to be a master stroke for Labour,
It seems that Parish Pump Politics is still alive and well thanks to labour and the unions.

Have you copy to post Im a member of SIPTU for last 14 years and nobody I know got a copy.
If every trade union member in Ireland voted as you are saying the unions tell them Labour would have seats in all areas!
Every group in civil society lobbies politicians