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New Dual Mandate TD's

  • 27-02-2011 2:48pm
    #1
    mickeyboymel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭


    Could anyone clarify the position regarding local councillors who have been elected as TD's in GE2011?

    Presumably they will have to resign their local government seats and forgo any retirement pensions etc. in order to take up their seats in the Dáil?

    Will there be by elections to town/city/county councils to fill their positions?


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  • #2
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    No election required - the outgoing candidates will co-opt new people to take over the council seat.


  • #3
    county man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭county man


    What about Alan Kelly in Tipperary?He was elected to the European Parliament in 2009 and presumably will now have to give that seat up.Who if anyone will replace him there?


  • #4
    Sierra Oscar
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    county man wrote: »
    What about Alan Kelly in Tipperary?He was elected to the European Parliament in 2009 and presumably will now have to give that seat up.Who if anyone will replace him there?

    Same setup - the Labour party will just replace Alan's seat. Same goes for Joe Higgins.


  • #5
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    That's just wrong on so many levels, isn't it?
    If there was a list system that would be acceoptable but not this co-opting lark (I know it's not any one parties policy/fault, it's the system again)


  • #6
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    gambiaman wrote: »
    That's just wrong on so many levels, isn't it?
    If there was a list system that would be acceoptable but not this co-opting lark (I know it's not any one parties policy/fault, it's the system again)


    Aye, it really is an absurd system to be fair.


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  • #7
    wow sierra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭wow sierra


    MEP Replacement Lists
    In Ireland, there are no bye-elections to the European Parliament. If an MEP resigns from office or dies during his or her mandate, the vacancy is filled from a replacement list, which is presented by parties or independent candidates to the returning officer in their constituency prior to each European election.

    Joe Higgins list:
    Socialist Party
    1. DALY, CLARE
    2. COPPINGER, RUTH
    3. MURPHY, MICK
    4. KEANE, DENIS
    5. MURPHY, PAUL
    I got this from Googling MEP replacement. It is slighly different from Council in that you submit your list in advance. I agree it is rediculous. I dont mind a County councillor being replaced - but Ruth Coppinger MEP?? I voted for Joe Higgins and was proud to have him as an MEP but someone from that list?


  • #8
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    wow sierra wrote: »
    Joe Higgins list:

    I got this from Googling MEP replacement. It is slighly different from Council in that you submit your list in advance.


    Didn't know that - are the elctorate presented with this list before voting?
    Looks like Ruth Coppinger is going to Europe.


  • #9
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    wow sierra wrote: »
    I got this from Googling MEP replacement. It is slighly different from Council in that you submit your list in advance.

    I guess that makes things somewhat betters i.e. you know what you are getting prior to voting for the MEP's if you so wish to know the information.


  • #10
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    I guess that makes things somewhat betters i.e. you know what you are getting prior to voting for the MEP's if you so wish to know the information.


    I know FF publish their MEP substitute list with literature at the time so I assume all parties have to do that.


  • #11
    county man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭county man


    So who is on Alan Kellys list?


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  • #12
    holidaysong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭holidaysong


    county man wrote: »
    So who is on Alan Kellys list?

    Labour Party
    ____________________________
    1. SPRING, ARTHUR J

    2. PRENDERGAST, PHIL

    3. LEDDIN, JOE

    4. O'DOWD, VIRGINIA

    5. KHAN, MARK


  • #13
    deanh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭deanh


    The replacement system is used throughout Europe as there are no by-elections to the European Parliament. This is one of the features of the list system.


  • #14
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,372 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    heard its phil prendagast for alan kelly and paul murphy for joe higgins


  • #15
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    I'm rather unimpressed with Alan Kenny's running for TD after being an MEP. Seems like he was just using the MEP election to build a profile for himself. Poor form, I think.


  • #16
    delta_bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    Wouldve loved to have seen Mick Murphy in Brussels


  • #17
    Fitzerb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    delta_bravo wrote: »
    Wouldve loved to have seen Mick Murphy in Brussels

    I think it is Mick Murphy that replaces Higgins


  • #18
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    I'm rather unimpressed with Alan Kenny's running for TD after being an MEP. Seems like he was just using the MEP election to build a profile for himself. Poor form, I think.

    Welcome to the reality that is politics, not just Fianna Fail that uses the system to their own advantage ya know.


  • #19
    BOZG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭BOZG


    wow sierra wrote: »
    Joe Higgins list:

    I got this from Googling MEP replacement. It is slighly different from Council in that you submit your list in advance. I agree it is rediculous. I dont mind a County councillor being replaced - but Ruth Coppinger MEP?? I voted for Joe Higgins and was proud to have him as an MEP but someone from that list?

    Joe publicly stated that he would contest the General Election and take up the Dáil seat if he won during the European Election campaign.


  • #20
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    I'm rather unimpressed with Alan Kenny's running for TD after being an MEP. Seems like he was just using the MEP election to build a profile for himself. Poor form, I think.

    That's exactly what he did.
    Joe Higgins made no secret that he'd run for the Dáil, Alan Kelly became an MEP to increase his profile

    If he was committed to Tipp North he would have resigned and then ran for the Dáil.
    But no, he kept a backup plan and if he lost he'd be straight back to Brussels


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