RTE exit poll versus actual

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RTE EXIT POLL: FG 36 - FF 15 - LAB - 20 - GP 2.7 - SF 10 - Ind 15.5

ACTUAL: FG 36.1 - FF 17.4 - LAB 19.4 - GP 1.8 - SF 9.9 - Ind 12.6


Not too surprised at the variation - FF ultimately taking some of the independent piece

As was stated yesterday there's a certain embarrassment factor re: FF vote. I've yet to meet someone who admitted they voted FF - to be fair I live in Dublin.



The poor Greens

EKRIUQ

400,000 people gave FF their number 1, obviously happy with the way they were running the country.

Einhard

EKRIUQ wrote: »

400,000 people gave FF their number 1, obviously happy with the way they were running the country.

Imagine how mugh higher the national average IQ would be if those people left the country!!:eek:

theg81der

I`m not embarrased to say I gave them a a stroke because -

1. better the devil you know
2. its irrelevant who was in during the boom they would have done exactly (maybe worse)
3. as I`ve said the last three years people only voted FG because they dislike change and FG and FF are as someone eliquently put it "two cheeks of the same as$" and their mad at FF so can`t vote for them, people are ridiculously predictable!

And I don`t want to hear any crap till we see the almighty fùck FG are about to make of everything (feel free to return and tell me I was right in 2 years).

Einhard

theg81der wrote: »

I`m not embarrased to say I gave them a a stroke because -

1. better the devil you know
2. its irrelevant who was in during the boom they would have done exactly (maybe worse)
3. as I`ve said the last three years people only voted FG because they dislike change and FG and FF are as someone eliquently put it "two cheeks of the same as$" and their mad at FF so can`t vote for them, people are ridiculously predictable!

And I don`t want to hear any crap till we see the almighty fùck FG are about to make of everything (feel free to return and tell me I was right in 2 years).

You should be embarassed.

Especially with reasons as fatuous as those you've outlined (especially the first one).

theg81der

Einhard wrote: »

You should be embarassed.

Especially with reasons as fatuous as those you've outlined (especially the first one).

You`ll all be singing my tune in two years, its not rocket science - what goes up goes down and likewise what goes down (alot in FF`s case) goes up (alot as in FF`s case). Its not my fault people are so simple when you look at the big picture.

Not a tradiotional FF supporter at all by the way. Well "better the devil you know" is the right saying becuase you guys believe now that FF are the devil and I believe FG who we don`t know so well will prove themselves to be as devilish if not more.

ps the idiots here in Louth who voted in an alleged murderer, who I personally believe was responsible for hundreds of murders (thats an opinion not a statemengt of fact), should be very embarassed, I`m ashamed to be from here now.

Einhard

theg81der wrote: »

You`ll all be singing my tune in two years, its not rocket science - what goes up goes down and likewise what goes down (alot in FF`s case) goes up (alot as in FF`s case). Its not my fault people are so simple when you look at the big picture.

Not a tradiotional FF supporter at all by the way. Well "better the devil you know" is the right saying becuase you guys believe now that FF are the devil and I believe FG who we don`t know so well will prove themselves to be as devilish if not more.

ps the idiots here in Louth who voted in an alleged murderer, who I personally believe was responsible for hundreds of murders (thats an opinion not a statemengt of fact), should be very embarassed, I`m ashamed to be from here now.

"Better the devil you know..." is probably the most inane reason to give for voting a certain way that I can think of. I'm not some dewy-eyed FG optimist, certain that they will turn everything around and we'll all live happily ever after, but I want to give them and Labour a chance to actually prove themselves. You're refusing to give them a chance in deference to the party which actually has devestated this country. And I'm not just talking about the policies since the crash, but also the crazy spending of the boom years.

It's a good thing more of your type don't live in Egypt of Libya, or else the likes of Mubarak and Gadaffi, "the devils we know", would have nothing at all to worry about.

And please, you're so obviously a FF voter. You just stated that you're unwilling to give any othe rparty a chance at proving themselves. That's the very definition of a FF voter. In fairness though, at least you have the gumption to stand up for your vote, unlike the 7% who told RTE they were voting for an alternative government, and then went and voted FF. They were too ashamed to admit voting FF in public, but no at all embarassed to see them back in government! Says it all really...

Min

I voted for FF, John Paul Phelan of FG was alright but I know the FF candidates and they are good people.

This national rage which we are suppose to have will solve nothing, I don't agree with FG's health policies, does this mean people with no health insurance will have to buy health insurance - and I am not talking about people on medical cards.
I asked FG via twitter what they meant with every household paying for water, I have my own private water supply, water from a well on my own land, does every household mean people with private water supply - got no reply.
Whoever is in power has to make the cuts, there is the four year plan - FG agrees with FF about doing it over 4 years, maybe longer if circumstances change.

I think Phil Hogan will be a terrible minister - got sacked before releasing the budget when a junior minister in Finance, really angered Labour as it was their first budget with having a finance minister.
Not surprised JPP got more first preference votes than him.

I knew FF would be in opposition, but the people who are intellectually challenged are those who wanted FF wiped totally out and we end up with Gerry Adams leader of the opposition.
Maybe FF voters had a higher intelligence as we stopped SF from leading the opposition...unless the people who voted FG and Labour wanted an easy ride in government with their main party of oppositon being one associated with a terrorist organisation that did great harm on this island and elsewhere.

Badly Drunk Boy

"Better the devil you know..." isn't good.

I think didn't vote Fianna Fáil {nor Fine Gael)

Einhard

Min wrote: »

I voted for FF, John Paul Phelan of FG was alright but I know the FF candidates and they are good people.

This national rage which we are suppose to have will solve nothing, I don't agree with FG's health policies, does this mean people with no health insurance will have to buy health insurance - and I am not talking about people on medical cards.
I asked FG via twitter what they meant with every household paying for water, I have my own private water supply, water from a well on my own land, does every household mean people with private water supply - got no reply.
Whoever is in power has to make the cuts, there is the four year plan - FG agrees with FF about doing it over 4 years, maybe longer if circumstances change.

I think Phil Hogan will be a terrible minister - got sacked before releasing the budget when a junior minister in Finance, really angered Labour as it was their first budget with having a finance minister.
Not surprised JPP got more first preference votes than him.

I knew FF would be in opposition, but the people who are intellectually challenged are those who wanted FF wiped totally out and we end up with Gerry Adams leader of the opposition.
Maybe FF voters had a higher intelligence as we stopped SF from leading the opposition...unless the people who voted FG and Labour wanted an easy ride in government with their main party of oppositon being one associated with a terrorist organisation that did great harm on this island and elsewhere.

Well, that's a decent explanation anyway- not that you owe anyone an explanation. I've never voted for FF, and it'll be a long time before I will, but I don't subscribe to the whole "they're all corrupt etc" meme, and I don't loath the party as some do. I didn't want them to get wiped out entirely either, but I wanted them to get a good kicking, and one that would permanently knock them off their pedestal. My only concern is that, after a few years of further austerity, people will flock back to FF again, and the whole cycle will begin again.

I would ask though, if you were involved in a major company, would you elect board members on the basis that they are "decent people"?

theg81der

I`ve always voted green was even a member actually till I realised they were whores who didn`t have a clue - never in all the 11 years I`ve been voting have I given FF a stroke before so you`re extremely wrong there.

Your seriously likening FF to Mubarak and Gadaffi - FF who the people of this country democratically elected and we all knew were corrupt even at the last election but no-one cared because we were all on the gravy train at the time.....? And yes I was shouting about the overspending at the time, no-one was interested, as was Pam Woodhall editor of the economist magazine and she was rubbished - you`ve insinuated I am lacking in intellect so surely everyone else could see something that was obvious to me?

You`ve knodded there in your own post to the fact that a huge number of FG are dewy eyed optimists FG therefore can`t possibly deliver on their promises. We needed someone to say get real the gravy train is not returning what we got was people saying I won`t touch your (whoever the biggest number of voters were) money. Ridiculous and impossible!

And again I wish we could see a "what if" for if FG had been in during the boom, I 110% believe it would have been the same or worse. FF may actually have learned something and we might see something different from them in the future.

theg81der

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

"Better the devil you know..." isn't good.

I think didn't vote Fianna Fáil {nor Fine Gael)

Who then? I am not seeing any alternative that aligns itself in anyway with my thinking.

bernardo mac

EKRIUQ wrote: »

400,000 people gave FF their number 1, obviously happy with the way they were running the country.

Mmm,they could also be anything from politically naive,foolish,masochistic..to comfortably well off:rolleyes:

Einhard

theg81der wrote: »

I`ve always voted green was even a member actually till I realised they were whores who didn`t have a clue - never in all the 11 years I`ve been voting have I given FF a stroke before so you`re extremely wrong there.

But you said that you won't even give another party the chance to have a go at things.

Your seriously likening FF to Mubarak and Gadaffi - FF who the people of this country democratically elected and we all knew were corrupt even at the last election but no-one cared because we were all on the gravy train at the time.....?

I'm not. I'm likening your attitude to someone in Egypt who might have have similarly stated "better the devil you know".

Also, I don't think FF are particularly corrupt. Rather they were particularly incompetent, and far too populist. Hence, I've never voted for FF.

And yes I was shouting about the overspending at the time, no-one was interested, as was Pam Woodhall editor of the economist magazine and she was rubbished - you`ve insinuated I am lacking in intellect so surely everyone else could see something that was obvious to me?

So you admit that FF have made huge mistakes, even in the midst of the boom, and yet you voted for them in the knowledge of their actual, real errors, because you feared the hypothetical errors that FG or Labour might make? That mightn't make you less than intellectual, but it's a pretty dumb reason to give your vote to someone.

You`ve knodded there in your own post to the fact that a huge number of FG are dewy eyed optimists FG therefore can`t possibly deliver on their promises. We needed someone to say get real the gravy train is not returning what we got was people saying I won`t touch your (whoever the biggest number of voters were) money. Ridiculous and impossible!

Anyone who thinks FG and Labour, or anyone for that matter, will magically transform things overnight is an idiot. Very few voters underestimate the task ahead of the country. There's a huge difference though between that and agreeing to give another party a chance to put things right.

And again I wish we could see a "what if" for if FG had been in during the boom, I 110% believe it would have been the same or worse. FF may actually have learned something and we might see something different from them in the future.

All parties went overboard during the boom. However, FG decried benchmarking when they knew they would lose votes for doing so. They, and Labour, criticised decentralisation as the expensive political stunt that it was. That's beside the point though. This isn't about who would have done what, but rather your decision to vote for a party which has made catastrophic decisions, because you fear the hypothetical mistakes that an alternative government might make. That's like hiding behind a vicious, rabid rottweiller in the hope that it will protect you from the potentially threatening person walking towards you in the street!

theg81der wrote: »

Thats a pretty strong word and I don`t see how it`s relevant in this converstaion?

Who are you talking to?

theg81der

Einhard wrote: »

But you said that you won't even give another party the chance to have a go at things. Never said that - point to where in my post please.

I'm not. I'm likening your attitude to someone in Egypt who might have have similarly stated "better the devil you know". And I`m pointing to the fact that these situations are not comparable.


because you feared the hypothetical errors that FG or Labour might make? Sorry not seeing where I said this either can you point that out too in my post. I don`t "fear"hypotetical errors I feel through my analysis of what they have said that their approach is not based in reality.



Anyone who thinks FG and Labour, or anyone for that matter, will magically transform things overnight is an idiot. Very few voters underestimate the task ahead of the country. I believe nearly everybody is underestimating the task ahead.

All parties went overboard during the boom. However, FG decried benchmarking when they knew they would lose votes for doing so. Really they have lost votes for doing so, where becuase as far as I can see your siting it as a reason to vote for them? They, and Labour, criticised decentralisation as the expensive political stunt that it was. So you think decentralisation was a bad idea? I don`t.



Who are you talking to?

I had quoted the relevant post which a mod obviously removed.

Min

Einhard wrote: »

Well, that's a decent explanation anyway- not that you owe anyone an explanation. I've never voted for FF, and it'll be a long time before I will, but I don't subscribe to the whole "they're all corrupt etc" meme, and I don't loath the party as some do. I didn't want them to get wiped out entirely either, but I wanted them to get a good kicking, and one that would permanently knock them off their pedestal. My only concern is that, after a few years of further austerity, people will flock back to FF again, and the whole cycle will begin again.

I would ask though, if you were involved in a major company, would you elect board members on the basis that they are "decent people"?

It was time for them to be in opposition, I don't think they are all the same, you get good people in most parties and all parties have people who get elected who are not suitable who serve themselves rather than the nation.

I would elect people to a board if I knew they were competent, this is where Brian Cowen went wrong, I will use the local example , when he was electing people to serve on his board in government - he picked all yes people, number 1 being Mary Coughlan, she had John McGuinness in her department as junior minister for Trade.
He complained that Mary Coughlan was not upto the job, that the department of Enterprise and Employment was not business minded, that there needed to be change there to get things done, what happened? We know what happened, the person who complained lost their job and the taoi-chers pet kept her job.
I am happy Coughlan was not voted back in and that Cowen is gone, we need politicians who say what is what, I think people should be pro-active and bringing change that is needed, not getting the sack for offending the ally of the employer when the message was very valid.
At least Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan have plenty of time to reflect, they needed a business minded person there but instead didn't want to rock the boat when it needed rescuing.
Cowen should have got rid of a lot of those tired old ministers earlier - the country won't miss most of them and wouldn't have missed them if the right people were appointed rather than the people who felt they had an entitlement to the reigns of power - the ones with entitlement feelings all left with their bloated pensions and payoffs.
I don't think anyone was happy with that apart from the fatcat politicians who took the easy way out rather than standing up in the election and letting the people decide.
I have respect for those who did put their names forward even though they probably knew they would have a very hard time keeping their job and if they did they would be in opposition.