I despair of this country

namloc1980

I cannot believe that nearly 400,000 people gave Fianna Failures a #1 vote. It beggars belief.

Biggins

namloc1980 wrote: »

I cannot believe that nearly 400,000 people gave Fianna Failures a #1 vote. It beggars belief.

It beggars sanity to be honest!

emo72

people of dublin west. what have you done?

ThisRegard

I didn't do anything !

emo72

ThisRegard wrote: »

I didn't do anything !

look around you, someone you know is a closet ff voter:D

we will have to round them all up.

wonderfulname

Eh, they also just chucked 24 of their sitting TDs out of the Dail, pretty good if you ask me.

EDIT: Of course that's before you include the ones who retired because they saw it coming, how many long time FF seats have gone?

gandalf

Stockholm Syndrome is to blame

emo72

wonderfulname wrote: »

Eh, they also just chucked 24 of their sitting TDs out of the Dail, pretty good if you ask me.

if you are referring to dublin west, they are the only ones who returned a ffer

dublin could have been ff free:mad:

eagle eye

namloc1980 wrote: »

I cannot believe that nearly 400,000 people gave Fianna Failures a #1 vote. It beggars belief.

I don't understand this. I mean I didn't vote FF but really if people are centre-right then its the same thing as giving FG the vote. They are the very same, parties full of cronyism. They are basically the same except that Fine Gael have not been in government much so haven't had the opportunity to line their own pockets, be corrupt. But you just know that they would have been had they had the same time in power.

PeterIanStaker

It is indeed very sad that people would give preference to the architects of the country's demise.

Insanity is, after all, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

gcgirl

It's alright they play the banjo

emo72

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't understand this. I mean I didn't vote FF but really if people are centre-right then its the same thing as giving FG the vote. They are the very same, parties full of cronyism. They are basically the same except that Fine Gael have not been in government much so haven't had the opportunity to line their own pockets, be corrupt. But you just know that they would have been had they had the same time in power.

true.

saw the indo headline. " all change" or something like that.
but really nothing has changed:(

Donal Og O Baelach

ThisRegard wrote: »

I didn't do anything !

methinks you protest too much.
You have RUINED this country [ don't try to deny it]

namloc1980

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't understand this. I mean I didn't vote FF but really if people are centre-right then its the same thing as giving FG the vote. They are the very same, parties full of cronyism. They are basically the same except that Fine Gael have not been in government much so haven't had the opportunity to line their own pockets, be corrupt. But you just know that they would have been had they had the same time in power.

No it is not the same. FF sold the country out, they guaranteed billions of euro in private debts, they have doomed a generation of young people to a life in foreign lands, the were in the pockets of Anglo Irish and developers, they have run up a huge budget deficit. I hate when people come on and say "ah shur they're all the same" because it sounds like they are FF apologists.

eagle eye

namloc1980 wrote: »

No it is not the same. FF sold the country out, they guaranteed billions of euro in private debts, they have doomed a generation of young people to a life in foreign lands, the were in the pockets of Anglo Irish and developers, they have run up a huge budget deficit. I hate when people come on and say "ah shur they're all the same" because it sounds like they are FF apologists.

I'm not an apologist, I'm a realist and its quite clear that things would have went the very same way under FG if they had the power for all those years. As I've said its all cronyism with those two parties and has been that way for many, many years. And all this 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' is what leads to corruption.

yoshytoshy

Nobodys perfect!

namloc1980

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not an apologist, I'm a realist and its quite clear that things would have went the very same way under FG if they had the power for all those years. As I've said its all cronyism with those two parties and has been that way for many, many years. And all this 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' is what leads to corruption.

The reality is that nobody knows what would have happened under a different government. An FG govt might well have listened to it's advisors and not guaranteed the Banks to the extent FF did. It's likely an FG govt would not have caved into the Unions as FF did. The reality is that FF and FF alone, destroyed this country and have brought it to it's knees. The nearly 400,000 who voted for that shower must have been hiding under a stone for the last few years.

wonderfulname

namloc1980 wrote: »

No it is not the same. FF sold the country out, they guaranteed billions of euro in private debts, they have doomed a generation of young people to a life in foreign lands, the were in the pockets of Anglo Irish and developers, they have run up a huge budget deficit. I hate when people come on and say "ah shur they're all the same" because it sounds like they are FF apologists.

I'm going to give you an analogy to explain the mindset of those 400,000*

Say you are a long way from civilisation or supplies, but journeying towards them, you have nothing with you but a random crew of people: 2 midgets, 3 children, a frail crazy old man and a hunky studmuffin. You break your leg. The studmuffin dutifully picks you up and proceeds to carry you. Some time later he accidently drops you and breaks your other leg. The children rush to help, they mean well, but they can't do anything. The old man kicks you and says "gerrup outa dat." and the midgets try to pick you up but are obviously struggling and are only going to make things worse. So you look to the stud, because even though he broke your damn leg, in your opinion he's the only one who can help.

And that's how the core FF vote sees their party.



*Disclaimer: I don't view the world this way myself, its just my observation that some do, I am not in any way, shape, or form a FF apologist/sympathiser. Sad I have to say that, but people tend to assume so when I make posts like this...

oppenheimer1

namloc1980 wrote: »

I cannot believe that nearly 400,000 people gave Fianna Failures a #1 vote. It beggars belief.

I can't believe people voted for the lunatic left aka Sinn Fein/People before profit.

Oh dear I see that parasite and turncoat Mary Lou has been returned; I despair at this country.

We get the parliamentarians we deserve though.

wonderfulname

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I can't believe people voted for the lunatic left aka Sinn Fein/People before profit.

Oh dear I see that parasite and turncoat Mary Lou has been returned; I despair at this country.

We get the parliamentarians we deserve though.

I must say I have to agree, the idea that Gerry Adams sailed in on the first count disgusts me. And Mary Lou makes my skin crawl, on the plus side with them in opposition they'll make the new government look great :cool:

yoshytoshy

If we all voted for the one party ,it would be a pretty boring place to be.

I didn't vote sinn féin ,but the diversity makes it an interesting place to be.

wonderfulname

yoshytoshy wrote: »

If we all voted for the one party ,it would be a pretty boring place to be.

I didn't vote sinn féin ,but the diversity makes it an interesting place to be.

We have a terrorist in our government, thats a little too diverse for me.

jimmycrackcorm

FF dramatically increased pensions and social welfare payments, public sector pay and provided the CPA - why wouldn't some people be grateful for that?

I can't understand the SF increase given as they are hell bent on taking our allready war weary country to monetary hell.

It just goes to show that the electorate are like a tin of roses - you'll always end up with those particular sweets that nobody picks unless they have to, and you wonder why the manufacturer even includes them...

Seth Brundle

wonderfulname wrote: »

I'm going to give you an analogy to explain the mindset of those 400,000*

Say you are a long way from civilisation or supplies, but journeying towards them, you have nothing with you but a random crew of people: 2 midgets, 3 children, a frail crazy old man and a hunky studmuffin. You break your leg. The studmuffin dutifully picks you up and proceeds to carry you. Some time later he accidently drops you and breaks your other leg. The children rush to help, they mean well, but they can't do anything. The old man kicks you and says "gerrup outa dat." and the midgets try to pick you up but are obviously struggling and are only going to make things worse. So you look to the stud, because even though he broke your damn leg, in your opinion he's the only one who can help.

And that's how the core FF vote sees their party.



*Disclaimer: I don't view the world this way myself, its just my observation that some do, I am not in any way, shape, or form a FF apologist/sympathiser. Sad I have to say that, but people tend to assume so when I make posts like this...

So not only have FF ruined the country but they managed to break my leg as well?
FFS, they really are the pits!

yoshytoshy

wonderfulname wrote: »

We have a terrorist in our government, thats a little too diverse for me.

I know what you mean ,but rather than the exiting government having terrorized us ,they've put us under a slow torture.

I think it's great to have such a contrast in the dail from now on.

wonderfulname

To each their own I guess.

Dabhach

namloc1980 wrote: »

I cannot believe that nearly 400,000 people gave Fianna Failures a #1 vote. It beggars belief.

Not really. What staggers me is that so many voters crossed directly from FF to FG. Besides the fact that this is absolutely unprecedented, it's also absolutely beyond all rationality. Why? If FF have destroyed the country, why on Earth would you vote for their Siamese twin? I mean, it's not like there aren't any other parties to vote for. It doesn't have to be FF or FG. In their entire history, no Fine Gaeler has ever put the poor in front of the wealthy, so why are people who are clearly just hanging on by their fingernails relying on FG to save their bacon?

ChocolateSauce

namloc1980 wrote: »

they have doomed a generation of young people to a life in foreign lands,

Oh the humanity! The doom isn't in going, it's in staying.