Our Public Servants do us proud.... again!

Fulton Crown

Jebus wept...can these prize Gimps get anything right. Picked up the Pat Kenny radio show on my way to an important meeting...that guy with the funny accent O'Gorman was on about free legal aid.

Spoke to a few scummers around the Courts and it appears there is a right gravy train rolling for the "Legal Eagles" at the expense of John Q Taxpayer...one guy had been up before the beak over two hundred times and still got free legal aid....we are being taken to the cleaners ...

Then later The Dufficer was talking to some Irish citizen trapped in Libia ...apparently the Brits were on the ball and got her out with other irish..but our boys were fartin around in Malta and no communication as usual...again all at the expense of John Q.

Christ we are very badly served by these time serving gimps who will eventually retire with huge pensions and lump sums...again all at the expense of ...yes youve guessed it John Q Taxpayer.

Who is freekin responsible ...who is freekin accountable .......?

sollar

And it appears that the solicitors gain on the legal aid system from putting cases back.

flutered

sollar wrote: »

And it appears that the solicitors gain on the legal aid system from putting cases back.

yes apperence money it should be called.

AlekSmart

Fulton Crown : Spoke to a few scummers around the Courts and it appears there is a right gravy train rolling for the "Legal Eagles" at the expense of John Q Taxpayer...one guy had been up before the beak over two hundred times and still got free legal aid....we are being taken to the cleaners ...

200 times....I wonder is there a league table of recidivists to enable those who fund this lunatic stuff to discover who they have marginalized most and therefore devise some better way of making it up to them....?

This lad is one of the 3 day declarations in the sweepstake......http://www.independent.ie/national-news/man-with-56-convictions-on-euro44000-gets-legal-aid-2538080.html

As for the Lybia thing,I`m uncertain as to what grand-gestures a country such as Ireland can make to those of it`s citizens who voluntarily choose to live and work in far flung, often inhospitable and definitely volatile societies....At one point the Skibbereen Eagle might have warned Johnny Foreigner off,but not today ?

Fulton Crown

flutered wrote: »

yes apperence money it should be called.

Appearence money ..yes pal .....but a fcukin thought... where were the Law Society on this one ...they are eager enough to bang on about civil liberties and other issues (which puts brass in their pockets) ....but where are they on this one. ?

Good ..forensic investigative journos thats is what is required ...we don't have too many.......

People who will follow it through and expose these Gimps....


Hmmmmm

Fulton Crown

AlekSmart wrote: »

As for the Lybia thing,I`m uncertain as to what grand-gestures a country such as Ireland can make to those of it`s citizens who voluntarily choose to live and work in far flung, often inhospitable and definitely volatile societies....At one point the Skibbereen Eagle might have warned Johnny Foreigner off,but not today ?

Excellent linkey on the legal aid thing Alek - thank you.

I think I know what you are getting at re the Lybian issue..if Paddies choose to work in a potentially hostile environment.... well what can ire do if things go belly up .

Not very much is what I would say ...but the "not very much" should be done as efficiently as possible .

Including telling them some home truths when they apply fer Visas.

There is a deep festering inneffiency in our public service which needs to be rooted out............

Absurdum

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Then later The Dufficer was talking to some Irish citizen trapped in Libia ...apparently the Brits were on the ball and got her out with other irish..but our boys were fartin around in Malta and no communication as usual...again all at the expense of John Q.

fyi Irish Air Corps evacuated British citizens from Tripoli today in an air ambulance mission

but don't let facts get in the way of your pointless rant

Fulton Crown

Absurdum wrote: »

fyi Irish Air Corps evacuated British citizens from Tripoli today in an air ambulance mission

but don't let facts get in the way of your pointless rant

Pointless ?


How is it pointless ??


I was quoting an Irish person on Liveline ..events may have overtaken it ,,, but hardly fcukin pointless ?

Einhard

It's a tad unrealistic to expect Ireland to be able to respond to foreign crises in the same manner as a neighbour with vastly more foreign resources, and embassies in every country in the world, including Tripoli. Ireland's nearest embassy, for comparison purposes, is Rome. AFAIK, the Irish had planes on standby in Malta, but couldn't arrange spots at Tripoli airport because they lacked consular services on the ground. Probably best not to take as gospel what's said on Joe Duffy.

Fulton Crown

Einhard wrote: »

It's a tad unrealistic to expect Ireland to be able to respond to foreign crises in the same manner as a neighbour with vastly more foreign resources, and embassies in every country in the world, including Tripoli. Ireland's nearest embassy, for comparison purposes, is Rome. AFAIK, the Irish had planes on standby in Malta, but couldn't arrange spots at Tripoli airport because they lacked consular services on the ground. Probably best not to take as gospel what's said on Joe Duffy.

Eh ...

No I don't take it as Gospel pal..and I'm not saying we are equal to the Brits...but the little we can do the little we can do we should do it well ...

The experience of the IRISH CITIZEN as outlined on Liveline did not give that impression...

Thats all

flutered

Einhard wrote: »

It's a tad unrealistic to expect Ireland to be able to respond to foreign crises in the same manner as a neighbour with vastly more foreign resources, and embassies in every country in the world, including Tripoli. Ireland's nearest embassy, for comparison purposes, is Rome. AFAIK, the Irish had planes on standby in Malta, but couldn't arrange spots at Tripoli airport because they lacked consular services on the ground. Probably best not to take as gospel what's said on Joe Duffy.

forgive me if i do not feel even a tad sorry, working in foregin lands, paying no tax etc here, then expect tax payers money to rescue them.

Einhard

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Eh ...

No I don't take it as Gospel pal..and I'm not saying we are equal to the Brits...but the little we can do the little we can do we should do it well ...

The experience of the IRISH CITIZEN as outlined on Liveline did not give that impression...

Thats all

No need for the bewildered smilies. I'm just explaining to you, and that guy on Liveline, why Ireland's response in such situations can never be as effective or rapid as that say, of the US or France. It's not because Foreign Affairs are inherenetly useless, but because we just don;t have the resources.

Incidentally though, from reading English newspapers, the Irish authorities were more helpful than the British FO.

Einhard

flutered wrote: »

forgive me if i do not feel even a tad sorry, working in foregin lands, paying no tax etc here, then expect tax payers money to rescue them.

So anyone who emigrates cuts all links with their homeland then?

20Cent

Are solicitors even public servants?

You'd think that if Irish public servants evacuated a medical emergency and a child from Libya ye wouldn't be happy.

Oh wait..........................

Kristopherus

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Eh ...

No I don't take it as Gospel pal..and I'm not saying we are equal to the Brits...but the little we can do the little we can do we should do it well ...

The experience of the IRISH CITIZEN as outlined on Liveline did not give that impression...

Thats all

We can do F.A as regards Libya. We don't have diplomatic relations with them. And I would'nt fancy our air force's chances against the Libyans:D

rebel10

flutered wrote: »

forgive me if i do not feel even a tad sorry, working in foregin lands, paying no tax etc here, then expect tax payers money to rescue them.

Jesus, I am shocked:eek:. What kind of a thing is that to say? You are more worried about money than a persons life? I hope you never find yourself in a similar situation, or any of your family members.

RachaelVO

flutered wrote: »

forgive me if i do not feel even a tad sorry, working in foregin lands, paying no tax etc here, then expect tax payers money to rescue them.

Look, as an Irish Citizen living abroad, that statement is MORE than offensive! Now granted I'm living in the Netherlands so it's not like I don't have access to my embassy. HOWEVER to tell me that as someone who paid tax in this country (I'm currently home for a long visit) is NOT blasted well entitled to receive help from my country is the greatest loada bo11ox!!!! When I come home, although I don't pay income tax I'm paying VAT, taxes on my flights, taxes on my car hire, not to mention a levy to collect it at dublin airport and so on a so fukcing forth. I go out a huge amount to meet family and friends so I'm spending bloody money. Now I know tourists do the same bloody thing, but they aren't paying for their bloody irish passport, so I will in NO BLOODY way apologise for demanding help from the Irish Embassy should I need it, all things considering, huge amounts of Irish have left their homes and their families to work and have a standard of living despite having paid (in my case 20 years worth) of income tax and everything else. So seriously, when you want to make such spurious comments please ensure that you don't go p1ssing people who pay taxes of any sort off!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Do ya reckong I'm annoyed with that dumbass statement??????:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

dan_d

flutered wrote: »

forgive me if i do not feel even a tad sorry, working in foregin lands, paying no tax etc here, then expect tax payers money to rescue them.

Ah here.That's out of order.What kind of a statement is that to make?

The real issue is the free legal aid for someone in front of the courts 200 hundred times. The Dept of Foreign Affairs is doing it's best to get people out of Libya. Since none of us are there, and the circumstances are extenuating, I'm pretty sure none of us can comment on it.I know if I was there, all I'd want is any seat, on any plane, to get the hell out of there.

I think we should concentrate on the actual problems here - the free legal aid. And also a conversation that was had on the Matt Cooper show this evening, regarding the length of time it takes to pay out statutory redundancies. I know that it was brought up in the context of the redundancies at the Sunday Tribune, and Cooper was shocked at the idea that it was taking 3 months, 6 months, sometimes even a year for these payments to be processed. My first thought I admit, was "how come you only decide to take notice of this stuff when other journalists experience it, but the rest of the country has been experiencing it for 2 years now?", but passing over that, the conversation continued regarding the efficiency and lack thereof, of the PS.Particularly in relation to the CPD, where all sorts of efficiencies and agreements were promised...and few have been delivered....

20Cent

Yes they did us proud.

A crisis in the economy and humanity goes out the window for some disgraceful.


From RTE

Separately, an Irish air corps flight left Tripoli this evening with a medical emergency evacuacee on board.
The evacuee is a European national and the Irish Government was asked if its Lear jet could be used because it was small and had a medical emergency team with it.

Focalbhach

Fulton Crown wrote: »

I was quoting Liveline ... hardly fcukin pointless ?

If you want a discussion based on facts, that actually seems to me to be a fairly viable definition of 'pointless'.

eigrod

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Jebus wept...can these prize Gimps get anything right. Picked up the Pat Kenny radio show on my way to an important meeting...that guy with the funny accent O'Gorman was on about free legal aid.

Spoke to a few scummers around the Courts and it appears there is a right gravy train rolling for the "Legal Eagles" at the expense of John Q Taxpayer...one guy had been up before the beak over two hundred times and still got free legal aid....we are being taken to the cleaners ...

And how is this the public servants fault ? If the law permits it, then the public servants have to work within said law. Blame the law makers, not those charged with carrying out the duties required under the law.

Scofflaw

Fulton, is there supposed to be anything to this thread other than a bit of almost entirely inaccurate PS bashing based entirely on hearsay and Liveline?

moderately,
Scofflaw

knird evol

Looking at the original post, there's no mention of any public servants of any description. Do they come in to it in Episode 2?

Fulton Crown

Scofflaw wrote: »

Fulton, is there supposed to be anything to this thread other than a bit of almost entirely inaccurate PS bashing based entirely on hearsay and Liveline?

moderately,
Scofflaw

Thank you Scoffy ..it is not my intention to bash the PS

Entirely innacurate..? I was basing my comments on an interview on Liveline with a prominent academic who was very forcefully stating that the efforts of the Irish authorities fell short of the mark.

Now she was in Beruit and unless i was there myself ...I have to depend on hearsay...are you saying she was inacurate ?

I take exception to your inference "is there anything to this thread" well fcuk you ...there certainly is ...there is a lot to it ..if you really examine the points I raised and not condemm me out of hand ..

Einhard

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Thank you Scoffy ..it is not my intention to bash the PS

Entirely innacurate..? I was basing my comments on an interview on Liveline with a prominent academic who was very forcefully stating that the efforts of the Irish authorities fell short of the mark.

Now she was in Beruit and unless i was there myself ...I have to depend on hearsay...are you saying she was inacurate ?

I take exception to your inference "is there anything to this thread" well fcuk you ...there certainly is ...there is a lot to it ..if you really examine the points I raised and not condemm me out of hand ..

Oi, Deputy Gogarty, the Dail is that way

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Scofflaw

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Thank you Scoffy ..it is not my intention to bash the PS

Entirely innacurate..? I was basing my comments on an interview on Liveline with a prominent academic who was very forcefully stating that the efforts of the Irish authorities fell short of the mark.

Now she was in Beruit and unless i was there myself ...I have to depend on hearsay...are you saying she was inacurate ?

I take exception to your inference "is there anything to this thread" well fcuk you ...there certainly is ...there is a lot to it ..if you really examine the points I raised and not condemm me out of hand ..

It's been pointed out that events have made it clear she was inaccurate - and your comments on legal aid are equally pointless except as a go at public servants. So I'm going to call it for trolling - the more so since you have extensive form in this regard (and are apparently incapable of writing a post without swearing) - and you can have a week's ban.

moderately,
Scofflaw