Irish Govt pushing through 'illegal downloads' changes to copyright law asap

Beanstalk

Like an adder stinging with its dying breath!
:pac:

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/20561-copyright-act-amendment

In its final days, the Government is believed to be rushing through a statutory instrument that will amend the existing Copyright Act and which will give judges the power to grant injunctions against ISPs in relation to copyright infringement cases.

The move is believed to stem from October’s court case between the music industry (Warner, Sony, Universal and EMI) and UPC in which the judge pointed to a key gap in Irish copyright laws.

Siliconrepublic.com has learned that the Department of Enterprise Trade and Innovation and the Department of Communications have tabled the legislation which is currently in the hands of the parliamentary draftsman with a view to passing it by Friday.

The legislation is expected to be sanctioned by the present Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Innovation Mary Hanafin TD before Friday.

A statutory instrument is secondary legislation – only the Oireachtas can pass primary legislation – and as such is the only way changes can be made to legislation in such a tight timeframe.

Sources in the digital media industry say the nature in which the legislation is being pushed through could be damaging for Ireland’s image in the eyes of the major internet giants that have located operations here.

They warn that if the statutory instrument proceeds it could have “major implications for the freedom of the internet in Ireland.” It could also result in ISPs being ordered to implement three strikes and filtering systems.

The legislation is being swept through in the middle of election week when politicians are busy canvassing

also:

http://www.ispai.ie/index.html

yrwhu8jxtni06a

*Cut off for downloading episodes of fair city/the angeles/oireachtas report

FatherLen

i love downloading free stuff

Beanstalk

put a wee tax on illegal downloads instead, will probably pay off imf in one year!

chin_grin

First the cheese and now this? What has the world come to?

Also there's a minute between these.........

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70839510#post70839510

Ghost Estate

Ceann Comhairle, if I may.. before I dissolve the Dail.. annoy the sh1t out of the people in this country.. one last time..

listermint

I have forwarded my views to maryhanafin@tcs.gov.ie
I suggest anyone who shares this do the same.

Dear Minister Hanafin


To say I am aghast at the cynical nature of the proposed amendments in relation to copyright directive (2001/29/EC), would be an understatement.

As an employee in the IT and Software sector I am fully aware of the potential of the Internet to be utilised in both subversive and the more beneficial manner in terms of openness.


Under current guidelines in the main, the sector is self regulating. Abusers of the technology are regulated by the providers and this allows to maintain the freedom which in essence is one of the cores to this communication medium.



I fear that in enacting such sweeping and powerful tools within the judiciary you are setting a dangerous precedence for this country and our image Internationally as a forward thinking Technology leader. A case in point of the power of freedom of expression (unhindered) it the current situation in the middle east, in no part owing to the benefit of social mediums such as Twitter and Facebook. Allowing for like minded free thinkers to share their views on the state of their nations in an open manner. We are in the midst of the first Social Media fuelled revolutions for democracy.



In enacting this legislation you are allowing for the dictate of an individual to decide what is allowed or disallowed within the confines of this medium. It is binding, it is the opposite of a forward thinking and open economy. In pursuing this line you are not following EU guidelines, furthermore you are pushing for direct oppostiont to that very open economy to which was one of the founding functions of this European Community.

In summation you will be the Minister remembered for pushing forward the small steps into Internet restriction, freedom is something that we western nations value.




Yours Cordially

..................

danniemcq

well by making it 3 strikes just think about it. nobody in Ireland will need a superfast line really. no need for streaming if they can rent for same price or even buy for same price. therefore no more investment needed in BB in ireland.

IMF paid off
Ireland returns to dark ages

UglyBolloxFace

listermint wrote: »

I have forwarded my views to maryhanafin@tcs.gov.ie
I suggest anyone who shares this do the same.

Dear Listermint

Thank you for your kind email, but to be honest I did not read any of it.
Why? Because I am above you, and your lickle opinion does not matter to me.

Yours cordially,

Mary 'Messer' Hanafin

Pauleta

Happy make up story's about Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael day!

ScumLord

What is wrong with FF? They're just pure evil bastards determined to fuck the Irish people as much as they can, in any way that they can.

listermint

Pauleta wrote: »

Happy make up story's about Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael day!

Its in 4 or so Irish Publications, So I think your comments are unfounded.

Dartz

I wonder if I could bribe an islamic cleric to put a fatwa out on a bunch of them...

Then sit back, and let Al'Qaeda do the work for us.

ei.sdraob

there is a more technical thread on the subject here if anyone is interested

Pauleta

listermint wrote: »

Its in 4 or so Irish Publications, So I think your comments are unfounded.

Mary Hanafin's office has denied it.
http://www.thejournal.ie/minister-hanafins-office-denies-change-to-internet-providers-legislation-is-going-through-tomorrow-2011-02/


The cockroaches from the far-left are spinning made up stories knowing that politicians can not defend themselves. Thankfully the ministers office was able to comment. The far-left cockroaches are sinking to all sort of lows. Including replacing FF and FG campaign posters with their own, as i seen with my own eyes yesterday.

listermint

Pauleta wrote: »

Mary Hanafin's office has denied it.
http://www.thejournal.ie/minister-hanafins-office-denies-change-to-internet-providers-legislation-is-going-through-tomorrow-2011-02/


The cockroaches from the far-left are spinning made up stories knowing that politicians can not defend themselves. Thankfully the ministers office was able to comment. The far-left cockroaches are sinking to all sort of lows. Including replacing FF and FG campaign posters with their own, as i seen with my own eyes yesterday.

And praytell, what is your agenda??


I personally dont have any affiliations other than my family. But you seem to have a distaste and venom in your posts.

Pauleta

listermint wrote: »

And praytell, what is your agenda??


I personally dont have any affiliations other than my family. But you seem to have a distaste and venom in your posts.

My agenda is the dishonesty about the story (Thats not an attack on the OP or yourself. He was just reporting what he read and you commenting on what you read) Its clear that the internet has been used by the far-left in the last few days to launch orchestrated attacks on Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael. Ive no party affiliation, i dont even know who im voting for tomorrow but i find the tactics from the far-left to be very unsavory.

listermint

Updated Response from Hanafin or her office

Dear Listermint

Thank you for your e-mail. I am glad that you contacted me for clarification.

There is absolutely no truth in reports that I am about to introduce enforcement measures against internet service providers or their users and I have no intention of issuing a statutory instrument to this effect. I attach a recent Press Release confirming same.

listermint, please do not hesitate to contact me if you need assistance with any matter of concern to you.

Le gach dea ghuí,

Mary


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Beanstalk

the power of the internet!

mconigol

listermint wrote: »

Updated Response from Hanafin or her office

You scared her off. Well done!

melekalikimaka

so stopping copyrighted material theft is a bad thing now?

twinQuins

"Theft"? Oh boy, here we go again.

Pauleta

Pauleta wrote: »

Mary Hanafin's office has denied it.
http://www.thejournal.ie/minister-hanafins-office-denies-change-to-internet-providers-legislation-is-going-through-tomorrow-2011-02/


The cockroaches from the far-left are spinning made up stories knowing that politicians can not defend themselves. Thankfully the ministers office was able to comment. The far-left cockroaches are sinking to all sort of lows. Including replacing FF and FG campaign posters with their own, as i seen with my own eyes yesterday.

I wasn't aware that cockroaches held such strong political views.

Queen-Mise

melekalikimaka wrote: »

so stopping copyrighted material theft is a bad thing now?

Ah but its ok, because I am also willing to rob a car :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

minidazzler

melekalikimaka wrote: »

so stopping copyrighted material theft is a bad thing now?

It's not theft, it's infringement. The problem with this bill is that it's catch all. You use Torrents for legal downloads you will get a letter. They won't be looking close enough to know what it is, and if they are then that would be illegal in itself I think? Or at least should be.

partyatmygaff

twinQuins wrote: »

"Theft"? Oh boy, here we go again.

People spend millions making a film. You download something that took weeks of hard work and a lot of money to make in one hour and watch it without giving a cent to the people who worked to create it.

Don't you see anything wrong with that?

ScumLord

partyatmygaff wrote: »

People spend millions making a film. You download something that took weeks of hard work and a lot of money to make in one hour and watch it without giving a cent to the people who worked to create it.

Don't you see anything wrong with that?

What if the film was shyte? I'm doing a study on human culture and as such can't let my money interfere with the natural outcome. This is why I don't pay, I just observe and take note.

melekalikimaka

ScumLord wrote: »

What if the film was shyte?

makes no difference, thats like saying 'you shouldn't hit girls'


but what if shes ugly

partyatmygaff

ScumLord wrote: »

What if the film was shyte? I'm doing a study on human culture and as such can't let my money interfere with the natural outcome. This is why I don't pay, I just observe and take note.

What if someone writes a really shítty book? Does that make stealing it ok?

ScumLord

partyatmygaff wrote: »

What if someone writes a really shítty book? Does that make stealing it ok?

Yup.

partyatmygaff

ScumLord wrote: »

Yup.

Grand so, i'm off to Easons tomorrow with a list of crappy books to steal. Can't say no to free fuel.

ScumLord

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Grand so, i'm off to Easons tomorrow with a list of crappy books to steal. Can't say no to free fuel.

It's very unrewarding, I used to be big into the large crap media scores, once the high of the raid wore off you where left deflated with a load of crap you didn't want to watch, read or look at. Used to end up costing me a fortune in recycling, it got so bad I ended up selling fish and chips out of the back of my car just to try and get rid of it all but who wants to buy fish and chips out of the back of a car? I was left with a small car full of rotting fish and 1st editions of Jordan's last book. I've been clean now for the last 2 years but I can still smell that rotten Micra.

hatrickpatrick

melekalikimaka wrote: »

so stopping copyrighted material theft is a bad thing now?

Piracy isn't the issue, it's the concept of allowing regulation of the internet. The internet must remain free.

twinQuins

partyatmygaff wrote: »

People spend millions making a film. You download something that took weeks of hard work and a lot of money to make in one hour and watch it without giving a cent to the people who worked to create it.

Don't you see anything wrong with that?

It's still not theft.

partyatmygaff

twinQuins wrote: »

It's still not theft.

So you'd be quite alright with me if you spent €5 million and 40 weeks making a film and I just took it from you without paying you a cent nor even thanking you for anything?

twinQuins

I don't recall saying that it's alright. I do recall pointing out that it's not theft.

ScumLord

partyatmygaff wrote: »

So you'd be quite alright with me if you spent €5 million and 40 weeks making a film and I just took it from you without paying you a cent nor even thanking you for anything?

I'd be proud I made a film (with somebody elses 5 mill more than likely) and set of into the sunset.

Doing is more of a reward than money.

humanji

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Piracy isn't the issue, it's the concept of allowing regulation of the internet. The internet must remain free.

I don't know about that. If it means an end to rickrolling, it can only be a good thing!

Naikon

twinQuins wrote: »

I don't recall saying that it's alright. I do recall pointing out that it's not theft.

Someone knows their stuff! Copyright violations are the exclusive rights afforded to the copyright holder of a particular work. Originally, it was designed to foster creativity and encourage growth for the most part. Now, it's being used to subdue and control consumption of media beyond reasonable limits. I bet twinQuins thinks it's fine to lend a software licence copy to his mates. This is a violation of copyright law. If the copyright police had their way, they would make you cough up every time you wanted to watch a legally bought dvd, where the media expires after a certain time. Lets not forget you can only play it on Windows Media Player thanks to draconian DRM schemes.