Last Minute Legislation for the ISPs

DeVore

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/20561-irish-govt-pushing-through

In the last 48 hours of this utterly unethical government, the last act of cowardice and vandalism is the leashing of the ISP's to big businesses private concerns.

If this is passed, we will end up with ISP's simply retracting from the state for fear of suit and ultimately a hobbled internet in Ireland.


We need to stop this but I don't know how.


DeV.

gandalf

WTF they have a mandate again? When they were supposed to put 10 billion more into the Banks last week they said they didn't have a mandate and kicked the can down the road for the next government to take the flak. Then this week the mandate has reappeared again and are going to rush through legislation that could have serious consequences for business and private use of the internet a vital medium and tool for the world of today.

Tom you need to scream blue bloody murder in every medium you can find starting here with boards.

What a pathetic bunch of halfwits our outgoing government are. If anyone is seriously considering voting for FF they really should reconsider after this short sighted and rushed decision.

drunkmonkey

How can they do this, this is bulls**t governance. Somebody must have bribed Mary with some Daniel O'Donnell tickets. This stinks.

ste

they're sly dogs

let's see how this one plays out - they surely couldn't get away with it

thebman

The last act of a party deeply indebt needing funding for an election campaign that it was inevitable they were going to lose in my opinion.

No way they didn't get a little something for this again in my opinion.

I can't understand why the government would be in a hurry to legislate for this, especially considering they've got days left. Can anyone fill me in?

fproviders

Switch to UPC, don't use torrents and enjoy fast broadband

heyjude

gandalf wrote: »

WTF they have a mandate again? When they were supposed to put 10 billion more into the Banks last week they said they didn't have a mandate and kicked the can down the road for the next government to take the flak. Then this week the mandate has reappeared again and are going to rush through legislation that could have serious consequences for business and private use of the internet a vital medium and tool for the world of today.

So true, they have 'no mandate' when it suits them, but the mandate returns again when it suits them.

whoopdedoo

fproviders wrote: »

Switch to UPC, don't use torrents and enjoy fast broadband

so what other option is available then? I use torrents for my dls on me mac, I used to use a p2p but that's windows only

back on topic this new twist stinks but as was pointed out in the link it probably won't wash with no public/eu consultation

desperate b4stards!!

gandalf

I fired an email off to my two local FG candidates asking them to confirm that they will revoke this if enacted once they enter Government and that I would like their response before I vote on Friday.

I suggest that anyone else who feels this is an issue does the same.

My name is URL

If FF somehow manage to get this through before the new government is announced, can that new government negate it? Who exactly should people be aiming their disapproval at?

aidan24326

My name is URL wrote: »

If FF somehow manage to get this through before the new government is announced, can that new government negate it? Who exactly should people be aiming their disapproval at?

At Fine Gael, since they will be in power.

Sir Oxman

Emails sent to FG, Labour and certain independent candidates who may be brokering an agreement with FG.
Also SF and Socialist Party candidates as these will at least kick up a storm of shít about this in the Dail.

Overheal

I dont understand why the Music Industry don't just make their own ISP companies and regulate themselves. They have enough money to make it happen. I've had a look and surprisingly none of their parent conglomerates appear to have any toes in the Internet Service Industry.

Manach

It mentioned that this was being effected by a statutory instrument. This might suggest that it could be enacted at the minister's convinience depending on its commencement section, and hopefully with the change of government this will be never.

ISAW

Manach wrote: »

It mentioned that this was being effected by a statutory instrument. This might suggest that it could be enacted at the minister's convinience depending on its commencement section, and hopefully with the change of government this will be never.

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/18244-upc-victory-highlights-clea/

The judge highlighted the deficiency in Irish law which resulted in Ireland currently having no mechanisms to forcibly disconnect internet users who engage in illegal downloading and commented that this results in Ireland breaching its obligations under European Union legislation

Irrespective of whether a current or future minister deals with the issue some legislation has to be brought in. FG will also have to bring it in to. Blanket refusal to bring it in isn't realistic.

Ban Ki Moon

Thats it, im never downloading anything again after this new law. Them Irish feckers

RichieC

The less internet for us peons the better, it's better when we only have "mainstream" news to rely on, easier to control.

thebman

Notable absence of FF voters posting here I see.

All quiet when they are upto dodgy stuff so I guess FF haven't changed after all.

K-9

Hannafin has confirmed there was no substance to this at all.

Minister Hanafin’s office denies change to internet providers’ legislation – for now · TheJournal

Wonder where the initial story came from.

Sir Oxman

http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2738047

Eamonn Ryan urging Hanafin not to sign the law "which is believed to be on her desk awaiting signature before tomorrow."

Overheal

thebman wrote: »

Notable absence of FF voters posting here I see.

All quiet when they are upto dodgy stuff so I guess FF haven't changed after all.

You [anyone] and whomever you support are usually quiet when the people you support are up to questionable shyte.

I'd be more worried if they were vocal and supportive.

K-9

gambiaman wrote: »

http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2738047

Eamonn Ryan urging Hanafin not to sign the law "which is believed to be on her desk awaiting signature before tomorrow."

Strange. The Journal.ie story was at the same time so maybe crossed wires from the ex Minister for Communications?

DeVore

Or the outcry around the internet was so stark and shrill that she realised it could be a Very Bad Idea to sign it in on the eve of an election.

I dont care. I don't trust them, any of them.

I'm sure the big money of the labels has already bought and sold our internet if they are trying this sort of thing.

DeV.

ei.sdraob

@DeVore I started thread about this earlier and it got whisked away into Legal discussion forum tho this is fairly political and my questions where politics related

can they be merged or something, since there are good posts there

Liam Byrne

If you're not breaking the law, what's the problem ?

ei.sdraob

Liam Byrne wrote: »

If you're not breaking the law, what's the problem ?

Thats the thing the use of the word "criminal" is very wrong when its a civil mater,
the courts have enough things on their hands than to be chasing 10 year old kids criminals for downloading latest pop trash.

Liam Byrne

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Thats the thing the use of the word "criminal" is very wrong when its a civil mater,
the courts have enough things on their hands than to be chasing 10 year old kids criminals for downloading latest pop trash.

But if 10 year old kids reckon it's OK to break the law to suit themselves, what will they be like when they're 20 ?

Why did the phrase "an FF candidate" just come into my head ?

Lemming

Liam Byrne wrote: »

But if 10 year old kids reckon it's OK to break the law to suit themselves, what will they be like when they're 20 ?

Next you'll be trotting out the line "it's a gateway activity" ...

In any case, it's civil law they are breaking, not criminal - not to excuse it of course, but there is an incredibly important distinction to be made. And the RIAAfia have done very well to fudge that rather pertinent little fact in coersing (i.e. lying through their f*cking teeth and playing Al Capone accountant-esque hocus pocus with their reported sales drops) governments into doing their dirty work for them.

K-9

DeVore wrote: »

Or the outcry around the internet was so stark and shrill that she realised it could be a Very Bad Idea to sign it in on the eve of an election.

I dont care. I don't trust them, any of them.

I'm sure the big money of the labels has already bought and sold our internet if they are trying this sort of thing.

DeV.

Nah, I'd say the Internet stirred this one out of all proportion.

I don't think FF would be that quick copping onto it going on recent history.

nesf

DeVore wrote: »

Or the outcry around the internet was so stark and shrill that she realised it could be a Very Bad Idea to sign it in on the eve of an election.

I dont care. I don't trust them, any of them.

I'm sure the big money of the labels has already bought and sold our internet if they are trying this sort of thing.

DeV.

Honestly, I thought it was a really weird thing to bring in on the eve of an election. The last thing FF need is to bring in legislation that will cost them even more votes and/or preferences.

Shea O'Meara

Similar to the 5 new channels for RTE, she may have thought it would go unnoticed on the eve of an election.
One main reason this is wrong is, apart from the obvious folding to a big business lobby, illegal downloading and access to internet use are completely separate things.
If you rob a bank you're not banned from holding a bank account. It's the big companies trying to circumvent laws for their favour.

I've posted this since 1998.......we will see laptop/desktop licences similar to the TV at some point:(

gurramok

Was it passed? It doesn't say in the other thread in Legal forum either