THE ELECTION 2011/ MONEY FOR OUR ECONOMIC BLACK HOLE

ethical

THE ELECTION 2011/ MONEY FOR OUR ECONOMIC BLACK HOLE


Looking at your situation from outside the country is very interesting at the moment.I know you are in the midst of an election campaign and while keeping an eye on proceedings I find it strange that the Irish State and the people that are in control at the moment are accepting everything that Europe tells them.
Consider the following points:
1.) A corrupt minister in the Irish Government 'sold' off the estimated 400 billion Euro gas and oil off the West coast.Should this case not be opened and renegotiated again, eventhough I now understand that the same company that it was sold to no longer owns it.
2.)The Norwegian government are receiving royalties from this resource and their ecomomy is profiting at the expense of the Irish patient who has to sit on a hospital trolley for days before a bed becomes available and yet Europe stands idly by and does nothing about it.Is this ethical?
3.)Do we have to wait until a Middle East/North Africa type unrest erupts before the main political parties discuss this giveaway to Europe? It is only a matter of time before their is total unrest.
It is sad to see that the only political parties that are making any noise about this issue is a number of independents and lesser parties.Why do a 1000 young people a week have to leave Ireland every week to find work when the answer and the money to sort out our problems are in our seas.

A terrible thought entered my mind,this is just like the Famine in Ireland during the 1840s when we were producing enough food for our people but it was exported by our foreign rulers and the Irish were left to starve to death.Are we at a stage now where we just find it easier to export our educated youth while the politicans can retire off into the sunset with multiple pensions?
So what if we bring down Europe,we have gained damn all from Europe and anything we have since joining the EU has been well and truly paid back.I personally feel that there is lots of unrest in Europe and we may find friends there if we go about the process of finding an answer and a solution to our ills.Why not sign over our oil and gas reserves to the EU....at least it would pay off our 145billion owed!Otherwise we may as well join the USA.

Zaph

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Zubeneschamali

ethical wrote: »

So what if we bring down Europe,we have gained damn all from Europe.

The Aquaduct?

jimmycrackcorm

Plus we got to win the Eurovision several times.

ayjayirl

ethical wrote: »

THE ELECTION 2011/ MONEY FOR OUR ECONOMIC BLACK HOLE


Looking at your situation from outside the country is very interesting at the moment.I know you are in the midst of an election campaign and while keeping an eye on proceedings I find it strange that the Irish State and the people that are in control at the moment are accepting everything that Europe tells them.
Consider the following points:
1.) A corrupt minister in the Irish Government 'sold' off the estimated 400 billion Euro gas and oil off the West coast.Should this case not be opened and renegotiated again, eventhough I now understand that the same company that it was sold to no longer owns it.
2.)The Norwegian government are receiving royalties from this resource and their ecomomy is profiting at the expense of the Irish patient who has to sit on a hospital trolley for days before a bed becomes available and yet Europe stands idly by and does nothing about it.Is this ethical?
3.)Do we have to wait until a Middle East/North Africa type unrest erupts before the main political parties discuss this giveaway to Europe? It is only a matter of time before their is total unrest.
It is sad to see that the only political parties that are making any noise about this issue is a number of independents and lesser parties.Why do a 1000 young people a week have to leave Ireland every week to find work when the answer and the money to sort out our problems are in our seas.

A terrible thought entered my mind,this is just like the Famine in Ireland during the 1840s when we were producing enough food for our people but it was exported by our foreign rulers and the Irish were left to starve to death.Are we at a stage now where we just find it easier to export our educated youth while the politicians can retire off into the sunset with multiple pensions?

So what if we bring down Europe,we have gained damn all from Europe and anything we have since joining the EU has been well and truly paid back.I personally feel that there is lots of unrest in Europe and we may find friends there if we go about the process of finding an answer and a solution to our ills.Why not sign over our oil and gas reserves to the EU....at least it would pay off our 145billion owed!Otherwise we may as well join the USA.

I could not agree with you more. People in this country are in denial about where we are as a country. We are on the verge of either a complete upheaval of our political mendicant or come this Christmas there is a real possibility of civil unrest. This election is more important that anything de Valera or Collins did. We have something to lose, they did not. A very real threat is hovering over Ireland at the moment and our politicians are trying to put a band aid on a bullet wound. Until we realise as a nation that Europe have more at stake than Ireland for a reversal of our debt obligation. We need to make Europe come back to the table wanting to resolve this and willing the share the cost. At present, Ireland is paying for the cost of the political landscape of Europe. It cannot continue. It amazes me that the political parties don't seem to realise this. The media are not helping either and I think have a lot to answer for. Journalism seems to have take a dive in this country. Whomever gets into power have until the end of the Summer to radically alter Ireland's future or suffer the consequences of the inevitability of people not accepting this nonsense and necessitating another election - if we are lucky because the alternative is what is happening in Egypt at the moment. I am not proclaiming anything here about violence. It is a consequence of inequality on a people/nation. It baffles me how more people do not see this and those that do, calling for us to just simply say no with no real idea of how to solve the problem.

In essence, the association of the debt from the bank instituations to the Irish state was incorrectly done in a blanket fashion. The problem is that people think that we can just say no and move on. We, as a nation, made that committment. We need to focus on solving the problem. What we need to do is ensure that we make Europe come to us asking to share/pay the burden. How we do this is clear to me. We make policy in Ireland to make the most attractive country in the world for businesses to set up. I propose we lower our corporation tax. This single act will have 2 effects. It will make Ireland hugely desireable for businesses to set up here, hence employing people, mitigating the cost of labour in this country and allow us to garner expansion programs from these companies. It will also reduce the unemployment register. The second effect is substantial for our situation. It will have every company in Europe thinking that they should move and set up shop in Ireland. When Germany, France, Holland, The ECB etc see this they will have no choice but to try to stop this.... But now they have the problem with the debt, not Ireland. We are servicing it but are doing so our way at the expense of their economies. This is the only way, THE ONLY WAY, we can sort this debt problem, ensure the future of Ireland and allow Europe to starting working properly.

None of the political parties seem to realise this. They are in denial and I am afraid for our future because of this. Enough people are not clearly telling these politicians to solve the problem. They need to stop placating people who don't seem to realise that this is a threat to our sovereignty greater than that of an invading army.

It sounds ridiculous but think about it. Our fiscal position with other states is dictating how we vote without the majority of Ireland's representatives talking about it in any constructive way?