Is Micheal Martin lying?

Laminations

I posted this in the TV debate but think it deserves it's own thread and is an issue that can quickly and easily be cleared up.

Laminations wrote: »

Martin has said that the interest rate for the EU/IMF deal was not negotiated, that it was set in stone far before Ireland was approached. How then, or at least why then, did we have speculation from economists like Brian Lucey, David McWilliams, Paul Somerville on Vincent Browne at the time about what rate would be a good deal? Why did we have threads on boards discussing the likelihood of various rates. Why did the government at the time pretend they were negotiating the interest rates??

So were FF negotiating about interest rates or not? If they were not, as MM is claiming, why did they leave the country in the dark speculating about likely scenarios? Why allow so much misinformation at the time?

Some example threads from around that time here, here, here and here

For instance

keno-daytrader wrote: »

24 November 2010 18:36:59 (IR) Irish PM Cowen: expect the EU/IMF loan package to charge approx 6% interest rate; reiterates package not yet finalized


How on earth can we afford to pay these kind of interest payments?

Why was Cowan issuing 'approximations' when the interest rate (according to MM) was known well in advance?

dave1982

FF lying ???? How dare you man!!!!:D:D:D:D

On topic i do believe if they had been honest from the get go.They would be in a lot stronger position in polls now.

Laminations

I reckon so too Dave. It's just bizarre that after all their dishonesty MM can try and fight this election on a platform of 'being straight with people'

Mods if you feel the thread title is more accurate as a statement - MM is lying - rather than a question, feel free to edit

lab man

butter wouldn't melt.....:D

bernardo mac

Not lying directly but may have studied Nazi propaganda and spin

dave1982

Laminations wrote: »

I reckon so too Dave. It's just bizarre that after all their dishonesty MM can try and fight this election on a platform of 'being straight with people'

Mods if you feel the thread title is more accurate as a statement - MM is lying - rather than a question, feel free to edit

For the life of me i can't see why they lied.Grand if they lied about something that could be kept a secret,but there was no way of hiding the truth in the IMF disaster.

They were going to get exposed and they had to have known it.

Some people claim its tactic's FF were playing for the supposed negotiations.

Even though i think the IMF saw a fool's coming from Ireland in Linehan and Cowen and knew they could set the terms,and our two boyohs would bend over for them.

I like Micheal personally,sadly he is connected to FF which is a no no.
They wont be getting my vote.

chucken1

Laminations wrote: »

I reckon so too Dave. It's just bizarre that after all their dishonesty MM can try and fight this election on a platform of 'being straight with people'

Mods if you feel the thread title is more accurate as a statement - MM is lying - rather than a question, feel free to edit

I reckon 3. Im miserable from it all. We trusted our Leaders to be Leaders

Thats all

EarlERizer

Now i'm completely confused .......... I thought ALL politicians lie? , seriously though , I've watched all the tit for tat mudslinging matches so far and have tuned into interveiws with the individuals and i've never felt more at a loss as to who should get my vote on Friday , i just have no faith whatsover in any of them, is it better the devil you know or take a punt on someone else?

Everytime I hear something that gets me thinking,I hear something else to make me think otherwise.All I know right now is I will vote , i hear alot of people saying "why bother,they're all the same" and thats enough to scare me into voting!

Right now, i'm very angry,very bitter and very disillusioned with the state of play we're in,for the first time in my adult life i'm out of work and can't see any light at the end of any tunnels.

And,here I am 2 days off polling day and not one candidate has been seen doing the rounds of door to door vote hunting,
oh their faces have been plastered on every conceivable veiwing point the lenght and bredth of the area but is that all I get to put my questions to? .... maybe i'd get the same answers!!

chucken1

How mad would it be to have a mass NON TURN UP to vote?

EarlERizer

chucken1 wrote: »

How mad would it be to have a mass NON TURN UP to vote?

Wouldn't that just be seen as a vote of confidence in the lunatics already running the asylum? :eek:

C0nn0rmcl

They all lie, some are just more obvious than others...

chucken1

EarlERizer wrote: »

Wouldn't that just be seen as a vote of confidence in the lunatics already running the asylum? :eek:

I dont know! And Im sorry for actually posting in this forum cos I know Im goin to get overwhelmed with politics.

Im 46 years old and Im really worried. For my children, their children..and MY country. I do not know who to vote for.

raymon

Looking at m Martin for the last couple of weeks has made me sick. Full of lies and spin and pointing the finger of shame at others.

Shame on you Martin , shame on you FF . You have ruined our country

dan_d

EarlERizer wrote: »

Now i'm completely confused .......... I thought ALL politicians lie? , seriously though , I've watched all the tit for tat mudslinging matches so far and have tuned into interveiws with the individuals and i've never felt more at a loss as to who should get my vote on Friday , i just have no faith whatsover in any of them, is it better the devil you know or take a punt on someone else?

Everytime I hear something that gets me thinking,I hear something else to make me think otherwise.All I know right now is I will vote , i hear alot of people saying "why bother,they're all the same" and thats enough to scare me into voting!

Right now, i'm very angry,very bitter and very disillusioned with the state of play we're in,for the first time in my adult life i'm out of work and can't see any light at the end of any tunnels.

And,here I am 2 days off polling day and not one candidate has been seen doing the rounds of door to door vote hunting,
oh their faces have been plastered on every conceivable veiwing point the lenght and bredth of the area but is that all I get to put my questions to? .... maybe i'd get the same answers!!

Very well said.
+1 on all points:( What's a worried, politics-interested person to do???I will vote but who the hell will I vote for? They're all the same.

wildefalcon

chucken1 wrote: »

I dont know! And Im sorry for actually posting in this forum cos I know Im goin to get overwhelmed with politics.

Im 46 years old and Im really worried. For my children, their children..and MY country. I do not know who to vote for.

God, I know how you feel. I'm having to leave, for the second time. I can't vote this time, as I'm travelling today to look for a place to rent in the UK.

I'm too old and settled, and I can't believe they've fecked it up this bad.

This time it's for good I'm going.

And that hurts. Watching my kids grow up in a foreign land, knowing I'll probably die there, all due to those thieving, selfish, greedy traitors. May they all rot in hell.

meglome

Well it's not so much that he's lying it's more he's changing reality.

Zubeneschamali

Is Martin lying?

Are his lips moving?