Custom Water Tank

BERmad

Hi all,
I am doing a job on a new dormer at the min and the attic is very small that small that even the smallest water tank in the builders yard is too big. The size I need is 300mm high by 400mm wide by 3200mm long does anyone know were I could get a tank this size?
I am in the North East.
Tanks

Outkast_IRE

Carberry plastics will make up custom size if you get really stuck . http://carberyplastics.com/contact-info/

slavetothegrind

that could be your best bet, the usual suspects on the lists i have are not compatable:(

heinbloed

Think about a pressurised system, no tank at all.

BERmad

Tanks for the info.
The pump for the pressurised system is very expensive. I am getting a stainless steel tank made up to suit the space i have.

sullzz

heinbloed wrote: »

Think about a pressurised system, no tank at all.

How would that work without a tank ?
Unless you have a garage or a spare room downstairs .

Outkast_IRE

sullzz wrote: »

How would that work without a tank ?
Unless you have a garage or a spare room downstairs .

If you have good mains pressure you can use that instead of a pump and tank , not sure if its allowed by local authorities though would need to check into that.

sullzz

Direct mains would not be allowed

heinbloed

Sullz wrote:

Direct mains would not be allowed

Why not?

Outkast_IRE

heinbloed wrote: »

Why not?

It just depends on each local water authorities rules your meant to stick to whatever they say. As far as i know a lot of them want a break cistern to ensure mains supply isnt directly supplying your whole house, its meant to help preserve the integrity of the mains water from possible contamination etc.

heinbloed

Thanks, Outkast_IRE !

A non-return valve would avoid the cross contamination. Direct fed water is as well (well, usually) chlorinated. And the plumbing made from food-proof material, so a contamination except with air would be impossible.

Are there written statements of local housing authorities which can be linked here concerning the issue?
As far as I know from the point of metering (there should be a non-return valve included ) the consumer is free to tap his way. Unless there is a state of emergency, hose-ban and the like.

slavetothegrind

nrv's fail. often.
hence the requirement of mains filler loops to be disconnected.

it is definitely a bylaw that sufficient storage be provided will try to dig up relevant linkys tmoro

off to bed now.

Outkast_IRE

heinbloed wrote: »

Thanks, Outkast_IRE !

A non-return valve would avoid the cross contamination. Direct fed water is as well (well, usually) chlorinated. And the plumbing made from food-proof material, so a contamination except with air would be impossible.

Are there written statements of local housing authorities which can be linked here concerning the issue?
As far as I know from the point of metering (there should be a non-return valve included ) the consumer is free to tap his way. Unless there is a state of emergency, hose-ban and the like.

I know it seems a bit backwards but their view would be 2 things
1. the cross contamination
2. If all systems were mains fed to basically every connection in the house it could cause further pressure issues in areas that already have poor pressure

With the use of Non returns , check valves , ensuring all outlets have an air gap , its unecessary if everthing is plumbed correctly .

But its also well established that there arent inspections being carried out on installations so you can imagine some of the bad installations that are out there, i think its better to play on the safe side with this as contamination of the mains isnt worth it.

Im not sure if there is a printed document besides the building regs i would be intrested to hear the answer to that myself.

Plombier

Another pet hate of mine we have all these regulations and no enforcement.

When a regulation changes the information is hardly ever relayed to the installers.

But we all find out when something changes that requires us to pay some sort of fee.

€ 100.00 Safe Pass
€ 1500.00 Gas GID
€ 1800.00 Oil Oftec
€ 750.00 Solar Installers course
€ 750.00 Heatpump installers curse
€ 450.00 Biomass
€ 350.00 Unvented cylinders

I installed my first gas boiler in 1977, in 2008 I was no longer qualified to do so.!!!

Its impossible to quantify the the total boilers I have installed or worked on over the years.

These are all COURSES I have completed over the past few years and I am now magically qualified to work in all these areas, but since I have been installing all of these long before it was a REGULATION are the previous installations somehow illegal or sub standard.

Why are these qualifacations not included as part of the FAS apprenticeship, simple if 6,000 plumbers complete the above it becomes a € 35,000,000.00 training industry, and our friends at FAS I would think get a nice share.

So yes until there is a coures which you will pay € 1000.00 for you have to search through all revelant bylaws, building regs, etc to find out.

Outkast_IRE

Plombier wrote: »

Another pet hate of mine we have all these regulations and no enforcement.

When a regulation changes the information is hardly ever relayed to the installers.

But we all find out when something changes that requires us to pay some sort of fee.

€ 100.00 Safe Pass
€ 1500.00 Gas GID
€ 1800.00 Oil Oftec
€ 750.00 Solar Installers course
€ 750.00 Heatpump installers curse
€ 450.00 Biomass
€ 350.00 Unvented cylinders

I installed my first gas boiler in 1977, in 2008 I was no longer qualified to do so.!!!

Its impossible to quantify the the total boilers I have installed or worked on over the years.

These are all COURSES I have completed over the past few years and I am now magically qualified to work in all these areas, but since I have been installing all of these long before it was a REGULATION are the previous installations somehow illegal or sub standard.

Why are these qualifacations not included as part of the FAS apprenticeship, simple if 6,000 plumbers complete the above it becomes a € 35,000,000.00 training industry, and our friends at FAS I would think get a nice share.

So yes until there is a coures which you will pay € 1000.00 for you have to search through all revelant bylaws, building regs, etc to find out.

The reason these arent included as part of the apprenticeship is that they are a nice little earner and FAS will give up nothing without a fight
In a plubming apprenticeship most the important stuff is taught in the various colleges/Institues of technology.

The colleges are after fighting hard to try and get OFTEC certification for the plumbers apprenticeship but FAS just wont leave them have it .

There are loads of things the colleges want to do to improve the content taught in the apprenticeship system but FAS wont let the colleges do anything without fighting for years first.

Plombier

Really its a joke FAS have a €1 Billion budget and the plumbers that
they train are unqualified to carry out the work they are required to do.

Where are we going with all this,

Maybe an electrician not qualified to change a fuse, needs to do a course,
A carpenter not qualified to change a door lock, needs to do a course,
A painter not qualified to climb a ladder, needs to do a course,

My god it will cost €500,000 to build even a dog house.

heinbloed

Outkast_IRE wrote:

I know it seems a bit backwards but their view would be 2 things
1. the cross contamination
2. If all systems were mains fed to basically every connection in the house it could cause further pressure issues in areas that already have poor pressure

With the use of Non returns , check valves , ensuring all outlets have an air gap , its unecessary if everthing is plumbed correctly .

But its also well established that there arent inspections being carried out on installations so you can imagine some of the bad installations that are out there, i think its better to play on the safe side with this as contamination of the mains isnt worth it.

Im not sure if there is a printed document besides the building regs i would be intrested to hear the answer to that myself.

Well, on the EU continent they use only pressurised water systems, tanks in the attick are not allowed by most authorities for hygene reasons and water conservation reasons.
Non-return valves are not even necessary. After the meter it is up to the consumer how he uses his water.

Water which stands open (non-pressurised) will very quickly lose it's chlorine, become a breeding ground for bacteria and must be dumped for hygene reasons. Water taps delivering dubious quality are not allowed in homes, areas where people live and work, have access to. Unless specially marked and out of reach of children and other persons unable to identify the risk.

I can't imagine that there is a legally binding (by-) law anywhere in Europe demanding that one must serve water of dubious quality, having water taps connected to a potentially unsafe source of water.

But I'm willing to learn as well.

So to the OP:
Check the situation with your local authority. It might safe a lot of installation costs. And energy for heating the tank in the attick.

sky6

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

The reason these arent included as part of the apprenticeship is that they are a nice little earner and FAS will give up nothing without a fight
In a plubming apprenticeship most the important stuff is taught in the various colleges/Institues of technology.

The colleges are after fighting hard to try and get OFTEC certification for the plumbers apprenticeship but FAS just wont leave them have it .

There are loads of things the colleges want to do to improve the content taught in the apprenticeship system but FAS wont let the colleges do anything without fighting for years first.

I agree with you both. It's a joke and the Unions should be more active on this issue. I served my time a long time ago with the biggest engineering company in Ireland. I worked on 6 and 12 inch Gas mains. I worked on the installation of the Calor Gas network in Drogheda. I worked on the Oil terminals in alexdaner rd. Phizer Ireland. Net Arklow and I could keep going.
Now all of a sudden some bureaucrat decides I'm not qualified. But will be if I spend all that money. It's a joke

DoneDL

OP why not fit a heatbank or unvented cylinder and do away with the water tanks,