Oral sex linked to cancer

Floppybits

Well it looks like this is the end of Oral sex once this gets out.

Oral Sex linked to cancer

DeepBlue

Floppybits wrote: »

Well it looks like this is the end of Oral sex once this gets out.

Oral Sex linked to cancer

Looks like newstalk are doing their best to bury the story anyways. I get a "Page Not Found 404" message when I click on the link. :pac:

Floppybits

floppybits wrote:

Scientists say there is strong evidence linking oral sex to cancer.

A new study has revealed that in America throat cancer due to H-P-V infection is now more common than throat cancer from tobacco use.

The research at Ohio State University suggests that people who have performed oral sex on six or more partners over a lifetime face an eight-fold higher risk of acquiring HPV-related head or neck cancer than those with fewer than six partners.

Here is what the article says.

super_furry

Meh, seems like everything gives you cancer these days, just file it next to biscuits, bras and bread and someone has already done.

I'll take my chances.

http://hellokinsella.posterous.com/the-daily-mail-list-of-things-that-give-you-c

Uriel.

This is not new news really tbh. The link between HPV and Throat cancer has been there for some time, similar to the link between HPV and cervical abnormalities with the potential to develop into cervical cancer.

It won't change the behavior of 99.99% of people I would say to be honest.

magneticimpulse

Yeah no new news here. Oral sex is transmitting bodily fluids, so you are open to getting all the usual STD's as you would from Sexual Intercourse.

Men can get the HPV vaccine. However even with that, you are still open to other STD's from Oral sex. Yes giving a woman Oral sex, you can get STD's/Cancer.

I got the HPV vaccine about 1 year ago and Im 30

Riskymove

btw the article does not indicate if its men, women or both, who are affected

magneticimpulse

^ Ive not been able to read the article but I saw a documentry on BBC about it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xhdzl

Like I said, men and women are transmitting Bodily fluids via Oral sex, therefore you are open to all STD's, virus and cancer! I mean people wear condoms during intercourse, but how many protect their health from Oral Sex? Oral sex has all the risks appart from getting pregnant. Is that the only risk people care about is pregnancy? Is that why people wear condoms during sexual intercourse?

Of course your open to ALL the risks with Oral SEX.

The reason these stories are focused at men is because there is a huge surge in men dying from throat cancer associated with the HPV virus. It is a preventable cancer!! I think usually because they are being careless or purely dont know about the risks. Also women might have the HPV virus and it doesnt have to effect them in anyway. 80% of adults carry the HPV virus. However women are screened in Cervical checks and we now have the option of the HPV Vaccine.

However they are not urging men to get the HPV Vaccine even though it can benefit them against Throat and Penis cancer.

Thats why its focused at men. Not to be too general, but usually women are more cautious about forms of sex, because they fear of getting pregnant. This is more then just what a few antiobotics or cream can cure...this is really serious and it is killing alot of men! The numbers multiplying is huge. I think its higher then cancer related to smoking now??

Its up to people to look after themselves. If people dont care about their own bodies, well they leave themselves open to these risks.

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

I got the HPV vaccine about 1 year ago and Im 30

may not have been worth getting at that age (not being smart with you). But where cancer is concerned it's best to have everything you possibly can in your favour.

Rented Mule

throat cancer due to H-P-V infection is now more common than throat cancer from tobacco use.

H-P-V is the culprit here....not the act itself.

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

^ Ive not been able to read the article but I saw a documentry on BBC about it.

Like I said, men and women are transmitting Bodily fluids via Oral sex, therefore you are open to all STD's, virus and cancer! I mean people wear condoms during intercourse, but how many protect their health from Oral Sex? Oral sex has all the risks appart from getting pregnant. Is that the only risk people care about is pregnancy? Is that why people wear condoms during sexual intercourse?

Of course your open to ALL the risks with Oral SEX.

The reason these stories are focused at men is because there is a huge surge in men dying from throat cancer associated with the HPV virus. I think usually because they are being careless or purely dont know about the risks. Also women might have the HPV virus and it doesnt have to effect them in anyway. However women are screened in Cervical checks and we now have the option of the HPV Vaccine.

However they are not urging men to get the HPV Vaccine even though it can benefit them against Throat and Penis cancer.

Thats why its focused at men.

HPV is not passed via the fluid, it is skin/mucosa based. Similar to HSV.

I have seen reports of studies though that do suggest that head and neck cancer caused by HPV is more treatable than that caused by other things (e.g. smoking).

Solair

Can the not just give *EVERYONE* the HPV vaccine?
Seems this nasty little virus causes cancer and is spread around like wildfire.
Simple enough to get vaccinated against it, whether you're female or male.

Uriel.

Solair wrote: »

Can the not just give *EVERYONE* the HPV vaccine?
Seems this nasty little virus causes cancer and is spread around like wildfire.
Simple enough to get vaccinated against it, whether you're female or male.

For it to be most effective, you need to really get the vaccine before you are sexually active. HPV being so common, most people have come in contact with multiple strains in their life time - (depending on a number of factors of course).

I am sure it would work in the same way for men as it does for women, but the vaccine has not had extensive testing on males to be conclusively passed as being "useful".

But males can get it, it just won't be part of any national roll out (as of yet)

Uriel.

Riskymove wrote: »

btw the article does not indicate if its men, women or both, who are affected

both

tbh

not a jokey thread lads, some posts removed.

magneticimpulse

Uriel. wrote: »

may not have been worth getting at that age (not being smart with you). But where cancer is concerned it's best to have everything you possibly can in your favour.

I know everything associated with this vaccine. However I have family members who have died from Cervical cancer. Unfortunately the vaccine was not around to take it when I was say 14 years old. But in all fairness, there are 16 year olds who have had more sexual partners then me.

Also, on the continent, it is given to ALL women til the age of 26. I know it might not be as effective, but its better then nothing right? Id rather buy a vaccine and my health then spend the money on alcohol.

Solair

Uriel. wrote: »

For it to be most effective, you need to really get the vaccine before you are sexually active. HPV being so common, most people have come in contact with multiple strains in their life time - (depending on a number of factors of course).

I am sure it would work in the same way for men as it does for women, but the vaccine has not had extensive testing on males to be conclusively passed as being "useful".

But males can get it, it just won't be part of any national roll out (as of yet)

It should definitely work the same way. It's not like we're different species Just a slightly different configuration!

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

. I know it might not be as effective, but its better then nothing right? Id rather buy a vaccine and my health then spend the money on alcohol.

Could not agree with you more:)

magneticimpulse

Uriel. wrote: »

For it to be most effective, you need to really get the vaccine before you are sexually active. HPV being so common, most people have come in contact with multiple strains in their life time - (depending on a number of factors of course).

I am sure it would work in the same way for men as it does for women, but the vaccine has not had extensive testing on males to be conclusively passed as being "useful".

But males can get it, it just won't be part of any national roll out (as of yet)

Correction it has been found to be useful in males. But the governments dont want to pay money to get males vaccinated. It is an expensive vaccine. They think if they give it to women, then they are cutting the chances of transmission.

It is not seen as 100% effective if you are sexually active. But are they going to ask all 16 year old girls if they are sexually active?

I got it at 28,(i paid for it myself) because there is still a chance I dont have the HPV virus. Or at least the strains which cause cancer. I have gone for smear tests and never had anything abnormal, so I figured, if this is this case its also worth getting the vaccine.

It was my choice and i am very happy that I now have the antibodies in my system against HPV.

Uriel.

Solair wrote: »

It should definitely work the same way. It's not like we're different species Just a slightly different configuration!

Well the FDA and the EMA haven't given it their stamp of approval yet - although by their nature they are ultra conservative.

magneticimpulse

Uriel. wrote: »

may not have been worth getting at that age (not being smart with you). But where cancer is concerned it's best to have everything you possibly can in your favour.

I could be a 30 year old virgin, its very judgemental of you.

magneticimpulse

Uriel. wrote: »

Well the FDA and the EMA haven't given it their stamp of approval yet - although by their nature they are ultra conservative.

They have!!!

From the GARDASIL website (the name of the HPV Vaccine)

" you may have heard: GARDASIL is only for girls and young women ages 9 to 26.
# but did you know: GARDASIL was approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in boys and young men ages 9 to 26 to help protect against 90% of genital warts cases"

* you may have heard: GARDASIL works only if females or males are vaccinated before becoming sexually active.
* but did you know: GARDASIL works when given before there is any contact with the relevant HPV types.
People who are already sexually active may still benefit from GARDASIL because, even if they have been exposed to HPV, they may not have been exposed to all the types of the virus covered by the vaccine. GARDASIL could still help protect men and women against the relevant HPV types to which they haven’t been exposed.

Solair

Loads of my elderly relatives, who had pretty non-carcinogenic lives have terminal cancer and to be quite honest, I am just concluding that it's mostly random and there's not all that much point in getting paranoid about it.

By all means do your best to avoid risks e.g. don't smoke, don't inhale benzene fumes on a regular basis, don't hang out in nuclear reactors or under UV lamps etc.

However, other than that, you can only take reasonable precautions. Cancer seems to largely be caused by being alive and being a biological organism that has a tendency to mutate.

The HPV vaccine would certainly be helpful and should be urgently looked into, but I think perhaps the risk is a little overstated given that you could also get oral cancer from eating curries etc etc etc.

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

Correction it has been found to be useful in males. But the governments dont want to pay money to get males vaccinated. It is an expensive vaccine. They think if they give it to women, then they are cutting the chances of transmission.

It is not seen as 100% effective if you are sexually active. But are they going to ask all 16 year old girls if they are sexually active?

I got it at 28,(i paid for it myself) because there is still a chance I dont have the HPV virus. Or at least the strains which cause cancer. I have gone for smear tests and never had anything abnormal, so I figured, if this is this case its also worth getting the vaccine.

It was my choice and i am very happy that I now have the antibodies in my system against HPV.

Not conclusively found to be effective to be honest. Unless, new data has emerged in recent months. It has been tested as much as the vaccine is primarily aimed at reducing the risk of cervical cancer.

It should also be noted that it generally seems to be only considered to be useful for oral cancer reduction and has not been fully tested - as is required for the FDA and EMA.

I am not saying that it won;t be or isn;t useful for males/oral cancer but it has been tested as much as the cervical cancer issue by/for the approving bodies so therefore we cannot say conclusively.

I am not arguing with you on the validity of getting the vaccine at any age/sexual history. I agree with you on that. There is no harm in getting it.

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

They have!!!

" you may have heard: GARDASIL is only for girls and young women ages 9 to 26.
# but did you know: GARDASIL was approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in boys and young men ages 9 to 26 to help protect against 90% of genital warts cases"

yes Genital warts.... not penile or oral cancers. your moving the goalposts. It is expected to be useful for those but has not been primarily conclusively approved for same.

EDIT: sorry original post should not have included anal cancer

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

I could be a 30 year old virgin, its very judgemental of you.

I am not being judgmental in the slightest. I said MAY not be of use. Jesus calm down will you.

magneticimpulse

Their early reports did say that it was...and to women as old as 45 years old. However those claims have been removed from their website until further studies.

But I have no idea why you have to be so negative about this Vaccine. Its clearly a wonder vaccine....and by you being so negative, your clearly under estimating the great benefits it has.

This vaccine can prevent HPV related cancer!! How can anyone be against that?

Uriel.

magneticimpulse wrote: »

Their early reports did say that it was...and to women as old as 45 years old. However those claims have been removed from their website until further studies.

But I have no idea why you have to be so negative about this Vaccine. Its clearly a wonder vaccine....and by you being so negative, your clearly under estimating the great benefits it has.

This vaccine can prevent HPV related cancer!! How can anyone be against that?

negative

tbh

MI: calm down.
Uriel, stop telling people to calm down. As you can see, that's our job

Uriel.

tbh wrote: »

MI: calm down.
Uriel, stop telling people to calm down. As you can see, that's our job

Cool tbh, my apologies,

Bottle_of_Smoke

Gardasil should be given to men too. I cannot fathom how it wouldn't work. It doesn't stop you getting cervical cancer it kicks in before that and stops you getting some of the viruses that lead to cervical cancer.

It also stops some strains of the virus which causes genital warts, which can only be welcomed

Salty

What if you and your partner have only had 1 sexual partner ever? Could you still be carrying HPV??
Confused!

Uriel.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Gardasil should be given to men too. I cannot fathom how it wouldn't work. It doesn't stop you getting cervical cancer it kicks in before that and stops you getting some of the viruses that lead to cervical cancer.

It also stops some strains of the virus which causes genital warts, which can only be welcomed

Nah, it is just the case that it hasn't been approved for use as vaccine for oral cancer causing HPV and also penile (and other genitalia related) cancers. I don't know why, but I would imagine that either there is a possibility that a different strain of HPV (not covered by the vaccine) that causes those or that they haven't done enough testing. Though the people behind Gardasil undertook large studies on both penile and anal related issues and the FDA only approved the vaccine for use in reducing anal cancers - so that might tell something of it's own story.

Something like 90% of GW is caused by the two strains of HPV under which the vaccine offers protection, so like as you say, that is great news all round. With the FDA only approving it for anal cancer causing strains and GW in males just before Christmas, it might be another while before Ireland even considers rolling out a vaccination programme.

Bottle_of_Smoke

_meehan_ wrote: »

What if you and your partner have only had 1 sexual partner ever? Could you still be carrying HPV??
Confused!

Depends if the partner had it. Its a very infectious virus transmitted by skin contact, so unlike Chlamydia/HIV condoms don't offer such high protection

If you've only ever had sex with a virgin it is just as worthwhile getting the vaccination as a virgin. Age actually has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

magneticimpulse

_meehan_ wrote: »

What if you and your partner have only had 1 sexual partner ever? Could you still be carrying HPV??
Confused!

Yes, the BBC documentary I watched, the man who got throat cancer was only ever with his 1 partner and they were both virgins. Thats why the guy in the documentary was even more shocked that it was a Sexually related cancer.

Uriel.

_meehan_ wrote: »

What if you and your partner have only had 1 sexual partner ever? Could you still be carrying HPV??
Confused!

1 as in just each other - or one each before you and your partner got together.

You can't get a test for HPV at present, so you won't know what strains you have or haven't got. HPV can also be spread via non-intercourse sexual interaction - "heavy petty", oral, "rubbing" etc...

Bottle_of_Smoke

Uriel. wrote: »

Nah, it is just the case that it hasn't been approved for use as vaccine for oral cancer causing HPV and also penile (and other genitalia related) cancers. I don't know why, but I would imagine that either there is a possibility that a different strain of HPV (not covered by the vaccine) that causes those or that they haven't done enough testing. Though the people behind Gardasil undertook large studies on both penile and anal related issues and the FDA only approved the vaccine for use in reducing anal cancers - so that might tell something of it's own story.

Something like 90% of GW is caused by the two strains of HPV under which the vaccine offers protection, so like as you say, that is great news all round. With the FDA only approving it for anal cancer causing strains and GW in males just before Christmas, it might be another while before Ireland even considers rolling out a vaccination programme.

Oh yeah forgot the thread was about oral cancer lol. I was just saying they should give it to men too to help with herd immunity for women and cervical cancer. And to protect those children with idiot parents who wont let them have the vaccine on moral grounds

Uriel.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Oh yeah forgot the thread was about oral cancer lol. I was just saying they should give it to men too to help with herd immunity for women and cervical cancer. And to protect those children with idiot parents who wont let them have the vaccine on moral grounds

Yeah there was a bit of an "uprising" in the States with parents being very anti-vaccine - I assume on moral/religious grounds. Was pretty big at the time If I remember rightly, not sure if that is still going on - I didn't hear much opposition/negativity in Ireland when the vaccine was being introduced - have we progressed as country away from our Catholic foundations lol.

Bottle_of_Smoke

magneticimpulse wrote: »

Yes, the BBC documentary I watched, the man who got throat cancer was only ever with his 1 partner and they were both virgins. Thats why the guy in the documentary was even more shocked that it was a Sexually related cancer.

I'd say either he or is partner is lying about that to be honest.

Unless..... - if you can get the oral cancer related virus from oral sex, surely it would be possible it could be passed on from french kissing too?

Bottle_of_Smoke

Uriel. wrote: »

Yeah there was a bit of an "uprising" in the States with parents being very anti-vaccine - I assume on moral/religious grounds. Was pretty big at the time If I remember rightly, not sure if that is still going on - I didn't hear much opposition/negativity in Ireland when the vaccine was being introduced - have we progressed as country away from our Catholic foundations lol.

There was a bit, some in England too.

magneticimpulse

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I'd say either he or is partner is lying about that to be honest.

Unless..... - if you can get the oral cancer related virus from oral sex, surely it would be possible it could be passed on from french kissing too?

Well since it is not my experience and its only what the people in the documentary said was their experience, its all the information i have to go on. I think the important point to gain from it, it doesnt mean you have to sleep with 100s of people to get it...that 1 person can infect you.

Also to point out, that people dont infect others on purpose. Since we dont know who is actually carrying it...its something which happens by accident.

I doubt its passed from French Kissing. Off course people can have warts on their mouth, but as far as im aware its caused by a different strain. I think this particular HPV strain, likes the moist areas such as genital regions.

magneticimpulse

I think some people were anti vaccine because there was a news story about a girl in England who died after taking the Vaccine back in September 2009. I think then there was some queries around Cervarix (the other branded HPV vaccine). However as far as I remember this girl had underlying medical problems which were the cause of her death and not the vaccine itself. It turned out to be a coinscience that she had been given the vaccine just 2 hours before her death.

Just reading a news article now which says this girl unfortunately had a tumor which they didnt know about.(nothing related to the vaccine). But the story was enough for a few days before her inquest to put about negative press about the vaccine in parents minds as oppose to it being a "sexually" related vaccine.

super_furry

Yeah I remember that. There was the frankly hilarious outcome where the Daily Mail was campaigning for the vacine to be dropped in the UK and at the same time slaughtering Mary Harney and trying to start a campaign for it to be introduced in Ireland.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/18/bad-science-cancer-jabs-daily-mail?INTCMP=SRCH

Salty

Uriel. wrote: »

1 as in just each other - or one each before you and your partner got together.

You can't get a test for HPV at present, so you won't know what strains you have or haven't got. HPV can also be spread via non-intercourse sexual interaction - "heavy petty", oral, "rubbing" etc...

As in each other. There's no history of cancer of any description whatsoever in either of our families.