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Emulating Guitar Strum in MIDI Sequencers

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  • 22-02-2011 2:36pm
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    JonathanAnon
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    Hi lads,

    I'm sure a few of you have tried to do this.. Just wondering if there's an easier way or more realistic way of doing it, preferably purely in MIDI, not using VST..

    I normally match the notes of each chord on the piano, and then play that chord with each note slightly delayed like a strum. I dont want to record in my acoustic, as I need to change keys frequently..

    thanks.


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    madtheory
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    It's impossible to program. Have you thought about a guitar to MIDI system? They're really good these days, and not expensive. You'd get a used Yamaha or Roland unit for small money, attaches to any guitar.


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    dav nagle
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    madtheory wrote: »
    It's impossible to program.

    +1 a nightmare


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    DamagedTrax
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    +2

    no need, especially now since fender have just brought out a cheap midi guitar in their squire range.

    stra-official-rm-eng.jpg


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    omen80
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    You say you don't want to use VST but I would imagine you need a virtual instrument to play the MIDI notes?

    I imagine that just recording the acoustic guitar would be the easiest and most authentic sounding option here.........would it take that long?


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    partyatmygaff
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    It's pretty difficult. You stagger each of the notes in the chord being strummed and change the velocity of each note to suit. It's a nightmare to get right and it will never sound truly authentic. As everyone else said, get a MIDI pickup!


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    madtheory
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    If you're a keyboard player, you could also get harpsichord lessons. Seriously.


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    JonathanAnon
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    madtheory wrote: »
    It's impossible to program. Have you thought about a guitar to MIDI system?

    Well I'm not flush with funds at the moment, and I really cant afford the space of another magic box.. I've loads of the fekn things.. However I did look up what you were saying about Guitar To MIDI .. (havent looked up the technology in years, I just remember it not being great).. have to say I was impressed by this one.. Roland GI-20.. it seems not to be on Thomann for some reason all the same.. I couldnt get a price on it either.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK95ueGpyC0


    It's pretty difficult. You stagger each of the notes in the chord being strummed and change the velocity of each note to suit. It's a nightmare to get right and it will never sound truly authentic. As everyone else said, get a MIDI pickup!
    I move between PCs that have UGM soundfont bank installed that I use for creating the back tracks.. So I try not to use VSTs where possible to ease the transfer of the files between PCs..


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    omen80
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    I move between PCs that have UGM soundfont bank installed that I use for creating the back tracks.. So I try not to use VSTs where possible to ease the transfer of the files between PCs..

    Not sure I understand what the issue is here regarding not using VST's. You can just route the audio outputted from the VST into a normal audio track and record it. Then you can transfer it like any other file.


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    Doge
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    However I did look up what you were saying about Guitar To MIDI .. (havent looked up the technology in years, I just remember it not being great)..

    The best audio to midi converter that i've ever tried out is IntelliScore Ensemble.

    You could try recording a wav file of yourself playing the guitar,
    and then importing the wav in there to convert it to a midi track.

    Since its only one instrument we're talking, it should be able to do it well.

    The wizard allows you to provide a good description of what exactly you're trying to convert,
    which can help achieve better results when dealing with multitrack audio.


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    Doge
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    Theres actually a polyphonic edition of Intelliscore that is specifically for single instrument tracks.

    Heres a link to the demo:

    http://www.intelliscore.net/ispd.exe


    It would be interesting to see what you think of it.


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    Doge
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    Digital Ear might be worth a go also:

    http://www.digital-ear.com/digital-ear/index.asp?tab=1


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    JonathanAnon
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    waveform wrote: »
    Theres actually a polyphonic edition of Intelliscore that is specifically for single instrument tracks. It would be interesting to see what you think of it.

    Just downloading it at the moment waveform, I remember taking down one of the WAVE->MIDI converters before and it was hilariously bad... but I'm sure like the Guitar->MIDI tool above... (which is incredible, I'd no idea things had progressed that far).. it is much better than it used to be.


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