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It is THE LAW

  • 20-02-2011 5:33pm
    #1
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭


    Over the years (long ones now) I find myself wondering. In various threads on Boards.ie I read how "But it's the law. You don't have any excuse if you don't comply." But who's law is it?

    The purpose of legislation, surely, is the protection, prosperity, and security of the people. Far too often nowadays (and for a long time) I feel that The Law is more designed to support the political establishment and their convoluted morals, and to provide the revenues that enable them to maintain their lifestyles.

    It enables The Law to fine a motorist who has strayed a few kph over the limit (arbitrarily decided and changed without notice by councils) while he was actually trying to avoid potholes. It enables The Law to demand payment for TV programmes on a commercial channel that only half the people watch. It enables The Law to demand payment to the government for something that the people have bought with their own already taxed money--VRT, annual motor tax, and forthcoming household rates and water tax.

    It is The Law that if someone attacks my wife or my family I am not allowed to retaliate in case I compromise his human rights. At best I must only use "Reasonable force", but I am not trained by the Gardai or the forces. I don't know what reasonable force is. It is The Law that releases an obvious psychopath from prison and allows him to attack another woman who could easily have been my wife or daughter. I don't recall that I ever enshrined his human rights in stone. If I had my way he wouldn't have any "human rights".

    It is The Law that I must pay a raft of stealth taxes to a government that hasn't the courage to ever tell us what we are actually paying for their profligacy. It is The Law that has determined that my children and their children and so on for generations will be in deep debt to recompense international investors who, surely, identified their risks?

    I am not a left wing activist or an anarchist (although I am getting close). I am a company director of an Irish and UK group. However, when I see the grinning faces on all the election posters, the same old faces, I want CHANGE

    * Oh f***k it. Pissing against the wind boy!"


Comments

  • #2
    whoopdedoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    the whole system is a sham!!


  • #3
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    whoopdedoo wrote: »
    the whole system is a sham!!


    Maybe buts its the law.:)


  • #4
    Tordelback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    You want CHANGE so that YOU get to determine who has human rights and who doesn't? (The human race apologises for not consulting you in advance)

    You want CHANGE so that YOU can break the speed limit to 'avoid potholes'? (The laws of physics regret the lack of inclusive discussion prior to their establishment)

    For once I'M glad the system is the way it is.


  • #5
    whoopdedoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    Tordelback wrote: »
    You want CHANGE so that YOU get to determine who has human rights and who doesn't? (The human race apologises for not consulting you in advance)

    You want CHANGE so that YOU can break the speed limit to 'avoid potholes'? (The laws of physics regret the lack of inclusive discussion prior to their establishment)

    For once I'M glad the system is the way it is.

    I don't think the op meant for a literal translation tbh! he's dead right imo


  • #6
    cyclopath2001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭cyclopath2001


    "There's an app a law for that...."


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  • #7
    Tordelback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    ART6 wrote: »
    I don't recall that I ever enshrined his human rights in stone. If I had my way he wouldn't have any "human rights".

    No translation was required.


  • #8
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    ART6 wrote: »
    Over the years (long ones now) I find myself wondering. In various threads on Boards.ie I read how "But it's the law. You don't have any excuse if you don't comply." But who's law is it?

    the subject you are discussin is jurisprudence.

    cf my discussion on jurisprudence in the legalise cannabis thread:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70173576&postcount=907
    The purpose of legislation, surely, is the protection, prosperity, and security of the people. Far too often nowadays (and for a long time) I feel that The Law is more designed to support the political establishment and their convoluted morals, and to provide the revenues that enable them to maintain their lifestyles.
    That may be how YOU feel but how do you convince a court you are right?
    It enables The Law to fine a motorist who has strayed a few kph over the limit (arbitrarily decided and changed without notice by councils) while he was actually trying to avoid potholes. It enables The Law to demand payment for TV programmes on a commercial channel that only half the people watch. It enables The Law to demand payment to the government for something that the people have bought with their own already taxed money--VRT, annual motor tax, and forthcoming household rates and water tax.

    so you think there should be no law as regards what side of the road people drive on???
    It is The Law that if someone attacks my wife or my family I am not allowed to retaliate in case I compromise his human rights.

    Actually no it isn't! where did you get this idea?
    At best I must only use "Reasonable force", but I am not trained by the Gardai or the forces. I don't know what reasonable force is.

    Yes yo do if you are a reasonable person. the clapham omnibus definition springs to mind.
    It is The Law that releases an obvious psychopath from prison and allows him to attack another woman who could easily have been my wife or daughter. I don't recall that I ever enshrined his human rights in stone. If I had my way he wouldn't have any "human rights".

    Indeed buty the law stops you form abusing his rights. Just as it stops you from deciding the same of Jews or Nazis both of which have rights even if you don't like them hgaving rights.
    It is The Law that I must pay a raft of stealth taxes to a government that hasn't the courage to ever tell us what we are actually paying for their profligacy.

    Yes and usually if any government introduces an unfair tax they are booted out. Guess what decides who gets elected and how long they can remain in governmnet ? that's right the law! By the way you don't have to readand vote on each and ever law ever written . We trust courts and lawyers and case law to evolve just as we trust scientists to develope science based on "laws" we might not understand or know about. See the cannabis discussion on a poster saying that I should have to justify why cannabis was made illegal in the first place. I dont have to ! If he wants to make it legal it is for him to make the case for legalisation.
    It is The Law that has determined that my children and their children and so on for generations will be in deep debt to recompense international investors who, surely, identified their risks?

    No. you can leave the country or declare yourself bankrupt and not have to pay any debts. I don't think personal debt is inherited under Irish law either.
    I am not a left wing activist or an anarchist (although I am getting close). I am a company director of an Irish and UK group. However, when I see the grinning faces on all the election posters, the same old faces, I want CHANGE

    I sympathise with your frustration.


  • #9
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    ART6 wrote: »
    ...It enables The Law to fine a motorist who has strayed a few kph over the limit (arbitrarily decided and changed without notice by councils) while he was actually trying to avoid potholes...
    Sorry for the slight sidetrack but...

    Going faster to avoid potholes???
    No wonder there so many woeful drivers in this country.
    As for the rest, the country's or your debt is not driven by law.

    Regarding law affecting self-defence...far too generalistic. Each case is adjudged on its own merits weighed with precedence.

    TV licence? Problem with this is what exactly? Paying it? So what if the broadcaster also has a commercial side to it? What does this other (perceived) half watch? Channels from the across the ditch? You should be happy for this as you don't have to pay anything to do so. Can just sponge off what the British licence-fee holder pays for.


  • #10
    Reloc8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Reloc8


    The law is not infrequently the last recourse of a desparate scoundrel.

    It is also the only protection consistent with democracy afforded to the citizen.

    If you believe in democracy, then for each time you feel your rights have been trammelled there will have been an equal measure of consent by you to the interference.

    In principle it works or is capable of working brilliantly. The problem is the practice.


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