Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Teachers moving schools

  • 20-02-2011 2:21pm
    #1
    axer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭


    Was talking to my sister who is a permanent primary school teacher the other day.

    She is looking to move to another location in Ireland to be closer to her boyfriend.

    In order for her to move from one location to the next she has to get her name on a panel (they have first dibs on available jobs in that area). To get her name on the panel she has to seek approval from the bishop in the diocese she is working in to be allowed to leave and then she needs the bishop in the location she wants to move to to allow her on the panel.

    This is ridiculus since the Department of Education pays her wages and is her employer. I never realised that the hierarchy of the church get involved at all - I thought it went as far as just the parish priest getting the board of management chairman job.

    She is an atheist but has to keep that close to her as she would find it very difficult to find a job if it were known before hand that she is not catholic (she was baptised catholic though). She now has to write a letter to the bishop addressing him as "your excellency bishop ..." and seek his permission.

    I pity teachers that have to bite their tongue constantly for fear of not getting/remaining in a job.


Comments

  • #2
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    It was the same in Communist Russia. In general terms, approval from the local party boss was necessary before anybody could take up a job offer. Still like that today in Cuba and North Korea, I believe.

    And in 21st century Ireland, where the church is involved.


  • #3
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    What a shower of bollocks (never used that phrase before).


  • #4
    rccaulfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    Tell her to get onto her union she doesn't have to do that!


  • #5
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    That is disgusting. So much horrible nonsense that people just don't know about.


  • #6
    Beruthiel
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    axer wrote: »
    She now has to write a letter to the bishop addressing him as "your excellency bishop ..." and seek his permission.

    Sometimes, it is frighteningly obvious, how backwards this country still is.
    An outrageous situation for your sister, or any teacher, to find themselves in.


  • Advertisement
  • #7
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    No way I could bring myself to write 'Your excellency bishop'. She should definatly get on to her union!


  • #8
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    panda100 wrote: »
    She should definatly get on to her union!

    What's the union got to do with it?
    The patron of the school decides who gets the job.
    We allow them to be the Patron, and they make the selection, that's how it is.
    If it was a VEC school or Educate Together advertising a job, different procedure.


  • #9
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    recedite wrote: »
    What's the union got to do with it?
    The patron of the school decides who gets the job.
    We allow them to be the Patron, and they make the selection, that's how it is.
    If it was a VEC school or Educate Together advertising a job, different procedure.

    Well there is equality legislation ,which lays out in law that individuals shouldn't be discriminated against because of their religion,politics etc. As the OP said the department of education pays her wages and are her employer.The DOE are completely contravening equality legislation. That is why the union should get involved.

    And we don't allow them to do anything. I never gave a mandate to the RC church to dominate edcuation in this country.


  • #10
    axer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    panda100 wrote: »
    Well there is equality legislation ,which lays out in law that individuals shouldn't be discriminated against because of their religion,politics etc. As the OP said the department of education pays her wages and are her employer.The DOE are completely contravening equality legislation. That is why the union should get involved.

    And we don't allow them to do anything. I never gave a mandate to the RC church to dominate edcuation in this country.
    Unfortunately discrimmination law excludes religious organisations so there won't be any luck there. They can legally discrimminate. I believe there was a case a number of years ago where a school legally fired a teacher for having a child out of wedlock.

    Edit: The teacher that was fired was Eileen Flynn who was fired from a school in Co. Wexford for having a child out of wedlock thus breaking the catholic ethos of the school. She lost a case for unfair dismissal in the courts as it was deemed a legal dismissal. The catholic church is above the law.


  • #11
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    axer wrote: »
    Unfortunately discrimmination law excludes religious organisations so there won't be any luck there. They can legally discrimminate. I believe there was a case a number of years ago where a school legally fired a teacher for having a child out of wedlock.

    Edit: The teacher that was fired was Eileen Flynn who was fired from a school in Co. Wexford for having a child out of wedlock thus breaking the catholic ethos of the school. She lost a case for unfair dismissal in the courts as it was deemed a legal dismissal. The catholic church is above the law.
    I seriously don't believe that this legislation could survive a serious review. The court of first instance may very well uphold the dismissal, but that does not mean it is correct.

    Irish discrimination law may have a get out for the church with respect to education but the EU law has no such provision.

    This legislation has to be unconstitutional, even if it is not it is against EU law. If someone were able to take the challenge to the supreme court I would expect it would not survive.

    MrP


  • Advertisement
Advertisement