How about a 500bhp octy vRS MK1 ...!!!

vectra

Saw this on another forum..
Nice power return :pac:

MK1 vRS

colm_mcm

Did it get dyno'd?

kona

Bull**** IMO.

500bhp from 4 cylinders? wonder what the reliability of that is. Id say it struggles to make 300bhp.

Realistically at 500bhp that car would be undriveable.

vectra

colm_mcm wrote: »

Did it get dyno'd?

Give him a ring and ask him

Neilw

kona wrote: »

Bull**** IMO.

500bhp from 4 cylinders? wonder what the reliability of that is. Id say it struggles to make 300bhp.

Realistically at 500bhp that car would be undriveable.

1.8t can handle 500bhp with the right parts fitted, reliability shouldn't be a problem if uprated rods and pistons are fitted.

Agree with the undrivable bit, fwd with all that power would be next to useless in the 1st 3 gears.

As for the car in question, the torque figure of 400nm seems very low for the mods done so maybe the 500bhp could be a fib

tossy

kona wrote: »

Bull**** IMO.

500bhp from 4 cylinders? wonder what the reliability of that is. Id say it struggles to make 300bhp.

Realistically at 500bhp that car would be undriveable.

Showing some ignorance there - the 1.8T lump is well able for that kind of figure,struggle to make 300bhp? seriously how much do you know about seriously modifying an engine?

The amount of cylinders and engine has rarely impacts on the peak BHP it can produce,such ignorance.

However 500bhp through the front wheels is crazy.

There is a 1.8T AWD mk1 golf in the Uk with around 750bhp i've seen it in action doing 1/4 mile sprints epic stuff.

andyseadog

it can have 500bhp all it wants, but its still as ugly as sin. thats one for barryboys.

qz

rabble rabble rabble boot rabble rabble rabble vectra rabble rabble rabble

tossy

andyseadog wrote: »

it can have 500bhp all it wants, but its still as ugly as sin. thats one for barryboys.

Thats true,a 500bhp mk1 VRS is a like a your granny getting a tit job

vectra

kona wrote: »

Bull**** IMO.

500bhp from 4 cylinders? wonder what the reliability of that is. Id say it struggles to make 300bhp.

Realistically at 500bhp that car would be undriveable.

Remind us all what size engine is going to be used in F1 cars from 2013 and how much power they will be throwing out??
Bull**** you say??:rolleyes:

Matt Simis

vectra wrote: »

Remind us all what size engine is going to be used in F1 cars from 2013 and how much power they will be throwing out??
Bull**** you say??:rolleyes:

Remind us what RPM they rev to and how that compares to an old VAG lump. And also how many engine rebuilds and extreme maintenance they go through a season.

From having a VAG 2.7T engine tuned to near 440bhp I too have difficulty believe that 1.8T is at 500bhp. Sure, by swapping most of the internals you could have an engine thats a 1.8T on the outside and 500bhp, but thats only touched on and not whats being proposed there.

Also just 400nm on a 500BHP engine is a huge BS flag.


EDIT:
The Manufacturer of the turbo claims its good for 450BHP at absolute max (nominal is 420bhp), and thats only when used with their manifold which wasnt used here:

The JBS IHI Stage 3 turbo conversion uses a custom developed JBS hybrid IHI based turbo with astounding spool up response and efficiency with a max of 450bhp! Our turbo features a 49lb minute compressor and a huge TDO6H sized turbine wheel with an 11 blade turbine head. This turbo set up requires our ST316SS SC40 stainless steel IHI equal length manifold to achieve maximum bhp.

KTRIC

If 700 odd bhp can be gotten from a 1.3 liter bike engine then I really can't see the problem here.

Matt Simis

KTRIC wrote: »

If 700 odd bhp can be gotten from a 1.3 liter bike engine then I really can't see the problem here.

You see these as comparable?

vectra

Matt Simis wrote: »

You see these as comparable?

Well,
Honda build car and Bike engines and they both rev like scalded cats

And yes.. They can both deliver huge power

so why not?

Matt Simis

vectra wrote: »

Well,
Honda build car and Bike engines and they both rev like scalded cats

And yes.. They can both deliver huge power

so why not?

Cos this is a VW cookie cutter engine not a Honda superbike... !? That comparison is as irrelevant to defending this suspicious article by the earlier F1 engine comparison.

vectra

Matt Simis wrote: »

Cos this is a VW cookie cutter engine not a Honda superbike... !? That comparison is as irrelevant to defending this suspicious article by the earlier F1 engine comparison.

at the end of the day.. an engine is an engine.. why are they not comparable?

Engineering is a wonderful thing

Vertakill

Seriously, are we actually debating and comparing Superbike engines and million pound F1 engines with.... a MK1 Octavia vRS engine?

This forum gets more retarded with every week that goes by.

vectra wrote: »

Engineering is a wonderful thing

So is your imagination!

funkyouup

If you think this is bad read the agri diesel thread from start to finish!

shogunpower

vectra wrote: »

Well,
Honda build car and Bike engines and they both rev like scalded cats

And yes.. They can both deliver huge power

so why not?

hondas car engines do what? 9200rpm? s2000? some of there bike engines do like 190000 rpm.big difference.

vectra

Vertakill wrote: »

So is your imagination!

Nope
engineering and technology is a wonderful thing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESluRK3kdM8&feature=related


If that does not suit you then look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNXMKn65QPw&feature=related


Also have a read of this

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/projectcars/14/jbs-skoda-octavia-vrs-jbs-gt35

Matt Simis

vectra wrote: »

Nope
engineering and technology is a wonderful thing
Also have a read of this
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/projectcars/14/jbs-skoda-octavia-vrs-jbs-gt35

Who are you even debating this with? Thats a different car with a boat load of modified parts, including a much better turbo and a bored out engine block.
You seem to be confusing engineering with magic.

No one said it was impossible to make a 1.8T 500bhp engine, they said:

a) Doing it on a FWD Skoda is retarded
b) That mumbai special seems to pie in the sky fantasy BHP for the reasons mentioned earlier, its purchaser would have to be a moron to pay up without a dyno
c) A 1.8 4-pot is ultimately a terrible platform to build a performance car from no matter how many 10s of thousands you pour on. Even the "review" of the "500bhp" Indian one said it steers itself due to torque steer and the turbo lag is extreme.

I can hope you understand just how woeful that car must be to drive, paper specs aside.

There is a reason the company that made the engine (VAG) put a Twin Turbo 4.2 V8 in the RS6 and not a jumped up engine from their low end parts bin with a turbo the size of G-Wizz on it.

RandomAccess

Epic Turbo Lag.. ?

vectra

kona wrote: »

Bull**** IMO.

500bhp from 4 cylinders? wonder what the reliability of that is. Id say it struggles to make 300bhp.

Realistically at 500bhp that car would be undriveable.

Matt Simis wrote: »

From having a VAG 2.7T engine tuned to near 440bhp I too have difficulty believe that 1.8T is at 500bhp. .

Matt Simis wrote: »

Who are you even debating this with? Thats a different car with a boat load of modified parts, including a much better turbo and a bored out engine block.
You seem to be confusing engineering with magic.

No one said it was impossible to make a 1.8T 500bhp engine,

1) I did not post this for any debates only as bit of information.

2) Looks like a few words of disbelief up there dont you think?

anyhow
Believe or not.

Not my car
Not my engine
Personally I dont give a damn

BUT

I would certainly say if it had been any other car than a =n Octy there would have been a lot more positive replies :rolleyes:

Over and Out :pac:

Matt Simis

"A few words of disbelief"... eh yeah, has it dawned on you that some people may actually know what they are talking about? Why do you jump to defend some crappy Indian pull together, aside from the fact its based on the same car as you? Considering many of the his country men stated his last builds were coming in at 66% of his publicised aims.

The part you bolded from me said "that" 1.8T, not any 1.8litre engine.

And from looking at the very forum you linked to, there is about 10pages of people saying its probably around 300bhp like Kona said. The build list doesnt look anywhere detailed enough to be hitting 500bhp.

And it would/is undrivable.

Tragedy

To get 500bhp from 400nm torque it would have to reach both peak power AND peak torque at 9,000 RPM.

That doesn't sound very feasible given the speclist of the car.

Plug

Ford focus RS has 300bhp with 440nm of torque. How can this Skoda have 500BHP with 400nm? Both cars are turbo charged as well. I say the Skoda owner got a bit excited!

projectgtr

kona wrote: »

Bull**** IMO.

500bhp from 4 cylinders? wonder what the reliability of that is. Id say it struggles to make 300bhp.

Realistically at 500bhp that car would be undriveable.

please tell me your joking there are plenty of 4 cylinders making well over 500 some even double

On this car i know nothing about them so i wont comment, but i cant see with the right mods and a good ecu i cant see why these engines couldnt see 500

Plug

projectgtr wrote: »

please tell me your joking there are plenty of 4 cylinders making well over 500 some even double

On this car i know nothing about them so i wont comment, but i cant see with the right mods and a good ecu i cant see why these engines couldnt see 500

Ah sure its possible alright but with a 400nm figure ya kind of have to question the car.....

Vertakill

Nobody else think it's funny that said 500bhp car can only do 0-60 in 5ish seconds plus?

Maybe coz they couldn't find a steering lock strong enough, or a drag strip with enough of a bend to account for the torque steer!

All of that being said as if the 500bhp is actually the correct figure.. :rolleyes:

vectra

Vertakill wrote: »

Nobody else think it's funny that said 500bhp car can only do 0-60 in 5ish seconds plus?

Maybe coz they couldn't find a steering lock strong enough, or a drag strip with enough of a bend to account for the torque steer!

All of that being said as if the 500bhp is actually the correct figure.. :rolleyes:

Dont forget also about the 3 seconds lost through wheelspin trying to get the power down

Atomic Pineapple

Was talking to my cousin yesterday who has a 300 bhp EP3 Civic that he drags up north a good bit (He lives up north) and mentioned this thread, he was telling me there's a guy with a claimed 400bhp MK1 Octavia vRS that goes to the drag races.

Problem is that his 300bhp Civic easily beats it on the drag strip, everytime.

:pac:

zubair

I'd imagine the power/boost is limited in the first 3 gears otherwise it just wouldn't go so 5s 0-60 time sounds realistic. The 500 bhp figure is likely to be a bit generous; plenty of these engines get tuned to 400bhp+, but these guys probably decided to round the figure up a little bit :-)

ShadowHearth

tossy wrote: »

Showing some ignorance there - the 1.8T lump is well able for that kind of figure,struggle to make 300bhp? seriously how much do you know about seriously modifying an engine?

The amount of cylinders and engine has rarely impacts on the peak BHP it can produce,such ignorance.

However 500bhp through the front wheels is crazy.

There is a 1.8T AWD mk1 golf in the Uk with around 750bhp i've seen it in action doing 1/4 mile sprints epic stuff.

yup, 500hp does not surprise me, i know 1.5 engine with 320 hp...

the one thing that does bother me, as you said it too, 500 hp in FWD car. seen 320hp in FWD and it was brutal. 500hp.... dunno...

ofc if there is a drivetrain swap.


but in the end of the day its not skoda anymore, i doubt something original left under the bonnet there...

Plug

draffodx wrote: »

Was talking to my cousin yesterday who has a 300 bhp EP3 Civic that he drags up north a good bit (He lives up north) and mentioned this thread, he was telling me there's a guy with a claimed 400bhp MK1 Octavia vRS that goes to the drag races.

Problem is that his 300bhp Civic easily beats it on the drag strip, everytime.

:pac:

The civic I'd say is a lot lighter, maybe a quarter of a ton difference. Can different dyno tests give different results, I wonder how accurate is each machine compared to one another.