Hand me down the bible.

cathy01

Hi all, A person handed in an REALLY old bible to the shop.It went against me and I have for sale for 50 euro.But I would really love to hand it back to its family.It contains the names and dates of births and deaths of about 10 family members.All BEAHAN.
James,Patrick,Mary Elizabeth and Jane Mc Donnell, .It dates from September 1864.Does anyone know where I can find out more, I dont know if they are Balbriggan, or Skerries or where.
Any suggestions that wount leave me running around like a headless chicken??

pinkypinky

Cathy

The genealogy forum may be able to help (which I frequent).
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1288

Maybe one of the mods can move it over and you could then supply the following details, and we'll get to work. Approx dates, religion (if it's obvious), names.
It might be something you could give to the Fingal County Archive (in Swords).

Pinky

The Hill Billy

Moved.

HB

cathy01

Names on first page :
On the inside cover it says Mary Beahan was killed on Saturday the 4th of October 1879, aged 25 years.

Next page.Patrick Beahan
Jane McDonnell 28th day of (April)?? and I think its 1866 or 1864.
Mary Elizabeth Born 3rd October date to hard to make out.
James Beahan Born on the 26 day of November 1878.
John Beahon Born the 3rd day of Januart 1870/1876?
Patrick Behan died June 1908 aged 60??Years.Jane Beahan
died 16 Auguest 1916.

religion :THE HOLY BIBLE TRANSLATED FROM the latin vulgate published by the Catholic Archbishop & Bishops of Ireland.

Thanks for the help.Id be delighted to return this to its original family.

shanew

a possible match for one of the children in the extracted record collection on familysearch...

name: Mary Elizabeth Beahan
birth date: 03 Oct 1869
birthplace: Dublin
father's name: Patrick Beahan
mother's name: Jane Mcdonnell

the best match for a corresponding civil index record shows :

Registration district: Dublin North
volume number: 17
page number: 569

so somewhere in Dublin North City


Shane

shanew

possible marriage for Patrick and Jane :

groom's name: Patrick Beahan
bride's name: Jane Mcdonnell
marriage date: 28 Apr 1868
marriage place: Lucan, Co. Dublin
groom's father's name: Thomas Beahan
bride's father's name: Dennis Mcdonnell
groom's marital status: Single / bride's marital status: Single

plus details for two more of the children :

name: John Beahan
birth date: 03 Jan 1876
birthplace: Dublin

name: James Patrick Behan
birth date: 27 Nov 1871
birthplace: 2 North City, City Of Dublin

Parent for both of these are Patrick Behan & Jane Mc Donald


Shane

pinkypinky

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_City/Trinity_St_/60277/

Possible census match for Jane and James in 1911.

Same family on 1901 more matching names:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_City/Trinity_Street/1305095/

Though note the age discrepancy - there could be 2 different Janes. The older Jane has the same occupation as the younger one's husband: caretaker.

pinkypinky

cathy01 wrote: »

Names on first page :
On the inside cover it says Mary Beahan was killed on Saturday the 4th of October 1879, aged 25 years.

Checked into this on the Irish Times archive and I've found it.

Summarising the articles. Mary Behan was killed with a razor by John Wynne at 1 North King St. He gave himself up straight away. A Mrs Jane McGuinness also made a charge about him in relation to Mary Behan, the article states Jane is his aunt. Also references a Mrs Keane and her mother Mrs Sullivan of Lucan. Oh second article says Jane McGuinness was also Mary's mother, so a possible remarriage there. Seems they fancied each other and it went sour. John Wynne had recently been discharged from the army (90th Regiment).

Later on Jane Magennis is deposed, she's a widow and Mary is the daughter of her first marriage. Mary was a forewoman in a stays factory on Sth William St. This article says JW was in the 98th Regiment. Interesting to note these discrepancies. The cousins apparently had a row about her grandfather, who had been involved in rearing Mary.

pinkypinky

I widened out the search. The trial took place in February of 1880 and Jane McGuinness had died in the intervening months. Jury took ages to agree and tried several times to say they couldn't but the judge kept forcing them back to deliberate. Eventually they decided it was manslaughter and he was sentenced to 20 year penal servitude. Apparently John Wynne exclaimed he might as well give him 20 more, on hearing his sentence.

cathy01

Oh my God , thats unreal, all that from the info on the book.Im going to see if I can follow it and try and find an up todate member, the more help the better as its like looking up a ducks**** to me.Really, thanks a million.

pinkypinky

It is more difficult to trace forward than backwards. 1911 is the most recent census available. If you spend a small bit of money on certificates, and using familysearch, you may be able to get someone born in the 40s or 50s, who would hopefully still be alive.

cathy01

Im thinking of contacting our local historian,Jim Walsh, and he might now the family from North County Dublin.I figure someone may still be alive.If not , any suggestions for a good home for it.
Thnaks all for your help.

cathy01

Strange twist.
I was told yesterday that the bible would have belonged to a prist.As it has some type of crest on it?

pinkypinky

It's possible - you mean it has a coat of arms? Can you scan the image to show us? Armigerous families are usually well off (and often CoI). This family appears to be Catholic, and though they all seem to have jobs, are literate, etc, the newspaper articles about Mary Behan's death don't suggest rich people.

cathy01

Here we go.

shanew

I think that's the crest for the Vatican or the pope..


Shane

pinkypinky

I think so too.

Yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Holy_See

Coat of arms of the Holy See. That may well be printed on the book because it was an official edition or something.

shanew

I found almost the same crest in a 1958 Catholic directory - although not as clear.

It's even has the same publisher

I'd agree with pinkypinky that the inclusion of this crest probably means it's an official Catholic publication


Shane

cathy01

oh this has a publisher James Duff, 7 wellington quey MDGCCLXIII .
SO CAN I TAKE IT THAN THAT IT BELINGED TO A PRIST?

shanew

I think it's the same publisher James Duffy - the company just moved a number of times over the intervening 100 years.

I dont think it necessarily belonged to a priest, I think the crest is printed as part of the bible, rather than added later by it's owner. The bible could could have been a family item.


Shane

pinkypinky

The fact that it has family names and dates in it strongly suggests it belonged to a family.