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Porsche 911

  • 16-02-2011 2:40pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8


    Right strongly thinking of buying. Looking at both uk and irish cars. Problem is i cant find how much the vrt is on 1 from the uk. And revenue are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorbike. Any ideas on the vrt on a 99 911 carrera?

    Also any other info would be helpful.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Did you use the revenues online calculator?

    https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Wudyaquit


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    Right strongly thinking of buying. Looking at both uk and irish cars. Problem is i cant find how much the vrt is on 1 from the uk. And revenue are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorbike. Any ideas on the vrt on a 99 911 carrera?

    Also any other info would be helpful.
    Band A: cars that produce 0-120g/km CO2 - 14 per cent VRT - €100 road tax;
    Band B: cars that produce 121g - 140g/km CO2 - 16 per cent VRT - €150 road tax;
    Band C: cars that produce 141g-155g/km CO2 - 20 per cent VRT - €290 road tax;
    Band D: cars that produce 156g-170g/km CO2 - 24 per cent VRT - €430 road tax;
    Band E: cars that produce 171g-190g/km CO2 - 28 per cent VRT - €600 road tax;
    Band F: cars that produce 191g-225g/km CO2 - 32 per cent VRT - €1,000 road tax;
    Band G: cars that produce 226g/km CO2 and over - 36 per cent VRT - €2,000 road tax
    Don't know which band it'd be in, but I'd imagine you'll be paying one of the top bands - so it'd be for example, 28% of what the same car would cost if you were to buy it in Ireland (taking account mileage etc.). If you can find out what the road tax is for one, you'll see which band it fits into...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Did you use the revenues online calculator?

    https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

    I'm sure he did. There are no Porsches on there to speak off ;)

    I'm with LIGHTNING here, a 996 would nearly be cheaper over here. That said, there is obviously more choice across the water. Before buying, make sure you get a quote in writing / by email from the NCT about how much the VRT will be exactly.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    The co2 based road tax bands don't apply to any car first registered before 06/07 I think it is. So if you import a 00 for example, the tax will still be based on its engine size.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Wudyaquit wrote: »
    Don't know which band it'd be in, but I'd imagine you'll be paying one of the top bands - so it'd be for example, 28% of what the same car would cost if you were to buy it in Ireland (taking account mileage etc.). If you can find out what the road tax is for one, you'll see which band it fits into...

    I think you're a bit confused. The VRT as a percentage of the OMSP will be 36% for any 996. The motor tax on any 996 will be €1,566 per year

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Heyyopauly


    There are no 996's on the vrt website. Roslare told me to contact the nct crowd and they told me to contact rosslare.

    Its 1544e road tax for the year.. Better choice in the uk alright,bit more expensive too. Couple in ireland aswell,but just beed to find out how much i would end up paying if i bring 1 in from across the water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭EarlERizer


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    Right strongly thinking of buying. Looking at both uk and irish cars. Problem is i cant find how much the vrt is on 1 from the uk. And revenue are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorbike. Any ideas on the vrt on a 99 911 carrera?

    Also any other info would be helpful.
    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I wouldnt bother looking in the UK, 911`s are nearly cheaper over here than the are in the UK. You can pick up a 98/99 (996) 911 for about 17k-21k here in Ireland.

    I would,even if it is near enough the same or only a slight saving your guarenteed a better serviced vehicle,it's a sad but true fact that UK car owners service & maintain their vehicles alot better than we do here,and the UK roads are alot kinder to cars than ours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭EarlERizer


    EarlERizer wrote: »
    I would,even if it is near enough the same or only a slight saving your guarenteed a better serviced vehicle,it's a sad but true fact that UK car owners service & maintain their vehicles alot better than we do here,and the UK roads are alot kinder to cars than ours.
    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Porsche`s tend to be better looked after than the usual econobox.

    I should imagine the same rule applies over there too!.... are you selling one yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭EarlERizer


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    No, I have an classic Porsche and I will in a few years time pick up a 996 911 as a weekend car.

    V.Nice!! I've a couple of classic Porches myself,a lovely Aston Martin DB7,A Jag (not in great condition) and a Hummer.......Corgi,not as good a build as matchbox but nice all the same :D ..... I get around in an "econobox" :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭EarlERizer


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    My daily car is a Fiat Seicento (that I picked up for 400e) so I feel your pain!

    lol classic!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Very good lightening:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 813 ✭✭✭wiger toods


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    Right strongly thinking of buying. Looking at both uk and irish cars. Problem is i cant find how much the vrt is on 1 from the uk. And revenue are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorbike. Any ideas on the vrt on a 99 911 carrera?

    Also any other info would be helpful.
    Fair play to ya! you lucky Bastard! beautiful car. Enjoy!:D
    Out of interest, im always seeing the boxsters on that donedeal.ie website going for 6-9k, which is pretty cheap (i think) for a porsche. How come?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    Right strongly thinking of buying. Looking at both uk and irish cars. Problem is i cant find how much the vrt is on 1 from the uk. And revenue are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorbike. Any ideas on the vrt on a 99 911 carrera?

    Also any other info would be helpful.

    Would you consider a 993 rather than a 996 ? From what I read when I was seriously close to buying one the 993 is a much more reliable car, imo is much better looking ( woth 964 even better ), and in the opinion of a lot of 911 heads is a proper air cooled 911 ( although its actually oil cooled ).

    I am informed that the 996 will need an engine rebuild at some point at horrendous cost.

    Admittedly the 996 feels a lot more modern but imo a little less well built.

    either way, enjoy, they are superb cars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭langdang


    Why don't you have a chat with this guy, he sounds like an A1 guy

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1788870

    As long as you don't talk Yite to him...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 CarMan2010


    17k will buy that one :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    993`s require more work to keep on the road than a 996. All 996 dont need engine rebuilds and even if they do its not mad money. They have a unfair rep as having soft engines.

    As I said I don't know because I never owned either I only did some research which led me to the conclusion I stated.

    The 993 imo is a much more raw 911 - much more traditional and closer to the original drivers 911 ethos too.
    Problem is you'll pay more for a good 993 than a 996 - and imo there is good reason, so if you're buying a 911 for the love of 911's, might as well buy the right one!

    btw - a quick search found this, I don't mean to scare you op, just highlight what I consider an issue. ( and I'm normally the one who gives folk sh1t for talking about reliability )

    http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/Total911_July06.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    Problem is you'll pay more for a good 993 than a 996 - and imo there is good reason

    911 owners can be a bit irrational folk

    When Porsche replaced the 911 with a far superior car back in the 70s, the 911 owners were having none of it. When Porsche finally ditched the outdated aircooled setup and replaced the 993 with the far superior (but admittedly less raw, less hardcore) 996, again they weren't having any of it

    Me I'd take a 996 997 any time over a 993 :D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    langdang wrote: »
    Why don't you have a chat with this guy, he sounds like an A1 guy

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1788870

    As long as you don't talk Yite to him...

    Sounds like a bit of a cock to me. Although he does know the value of photos and spec.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    unkel wrote: »
    911 owners can be a bit irrational folk

    When Porsche replaced the 911 with a far superior car back in the 70s, the 911 owners were having none of it. When Porsche finally ditched the outdated aircooled setup and replaced the 993 with the far superior (but admittedly less raw, less hardcore) 996, again they weren't having any of it

    Me I'd take a 996 997 any time over a 993 :D

    I'd say 997 too, over 996, but I'm very keen on the older ones - in fact the older they are the better looking they are ( well back to the SC anyway )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    unkel wrote: »
    911 owners can be a bit irrational folk

    When Porsche replaced the 911 with a far superior car back in the 70s, the 911 owners were having none of it.

    oh bah gum: I know what you mean. They had a 'lightbulb' moment and put the engine in the right end for a change.........and then promptly 'went backwards' a few years later..........;)

    Us waterpumpers gotta stick together !! :D:p

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    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    Right strongly thinking of buying. Looking at both uk and irish cars. Problem is i cant find how much the vrt is on 1 from the uk. And revenue are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motorbike. Any ideas on the vrt on a 99 911 carrera?

    Also any other info would be helpful.

    I can't say definitively, but a guy I know has a 99, and he was asked for between 9k and 11k VRT. At those rates, it's just not worth it - as LIGHTNING says, they're cheaper here now....I can ask him tomorrow.

    He's selling his btw BECAUSE of the VRT........


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I wouldnt bother looking in the UK, 911`s are nearly cheaper over here than the are in the UK. You can pick up a 98/99 (996) 911 for about 17k-21k here in Ireland.

    Indeed. In fact, if you want a 'fixer-upper', there's a 98/99 one on DoneDeal for 9k.........'small engine problem' it says........:rolleyes:

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    btw - a quick search found this, I don't mean to scare you op, just highlight what I consider an issue. ( and I'm normally the one who gives folk sh1t for talking about reliability )

    http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/Total911_July06.pdf

    ..btw, was in Hartech's workshop one time: they had 4 Boxster's and 2 x 996's in for that issue...........:eek:..........mind you, the 99 C4 with the dodgy engine was only worth 4k he said. Add 7.5k for a full house engine, and you'd have some motor........

    Ode To The Motorist

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Heyyopauly


    Small engine problem usually mean majot engine problem espically when he only wants 9k for it. Was talking to the guy with the blue 99,996 today and sound out he is. Was driving the wine 1 last friday and ran away from it. Was also driving a 03 996 in cork saturday. Doesnt matter what ya but fsh is a must espically with 1 of these. And Ill be getting it checked before i buy aswell,Porsche owners club have loads of contacts who will look at them for a small fee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    Was also driving a 03 996 in cork saturday. Doesnt matter what ya but fsh is a must espically with 1 of these. .

    You're right: fsh is a must, really. But, fsh won't compensate for poor design; that's what the problem is. No shortage of guys in the Porsche Club who've found out the hard way......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    +1 on the service history.
    I think the 996 may have been a victim of it's own success to be fair. A lot more 996's were sold than any previous incarnations and because of that a lot of non enthusiasts bought them, leading to there being a few misunderstood and therefore mistreated ones about.

    Said it before and said it again OP - buy a nice clean 993, it'll be easier to own, a better drive, a proper 911 ;) and will depreciate less.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    I'd love a 911 996 as my next car, those two examples posted are just a crazy amount of car for the money. However, are you buying a potential money pit? What are the servicing costs like on one of these? If stuff starts to break I'm sure it could be crazy money. I'm wondering if maybe I should just go for a Boxter first until I can afford not to have to ask the question...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Heyyopauly


    The 2 that are posted are on the cheaper side. UK 1's are getting much the same,plus youd have the hassle and bill from the vrt people. Boxster is a lovely car but i need 4 seats,and i know before anyone say anything there aint much room in the back but i have a small kid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Heyyopauly wrote: »
    there aint much room in the back but i have a small kid.

    Saw a beautiful old 911 SC in Munich the other day with a child seat in the front - sparked much debate between herself and I about the practicality of the 911 and how we could live with one. I lost, as usual !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    What about this lovely 968? Four seats, lovely proven engine that is very reliable and all for less than 8k. I drove one at a Porsche track day and I was very impressed.

    http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/cars/1026728

    The 968 Club Sport was regularly voted the best handling car in the world by Autocar, so there is nothing slouchy about them. Most people think of Porsche and think 911 I'm afraid.

    OP - who suggested a Boxster ?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/cars/1821379

    Vintage Tax - €48 - vintage insurance €133! Wow, now that's more like it! What are the stipulations around getting this though?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Nice. I ride a motorbike day to day to work etc so this type of thing would be very tempting to me. It would pain me to pay €1500 a year tax and also big insurance for essentially what is just a weekend car. I might seriously look into getting something that this...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Zascar wrote: »
    http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/cars/1821379

    Vintage Tax - €48 - vintage insurance €133! Wow, now that's more like it! What are the stipulations around getting this though?

    That's an SC dressed up to look like a 964 - can be done fairly convincingly in countries where you don't have to wear the reg year as a badge of pride like here.
    Is probably more often done after a 911 has gone backwards through a hedge and needs a rebuild. I wouldn't touch that with the proverbial.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Pardon my ignorance but what is an SC?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Defo 911 993 for me!
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Zascar wrote: »
    Pardon my ignorance but what is an SC?

    911 SC - a variant built from 78 to 84 afair.

    911, 911 ( 2.7 ), 911 SC, Carrera, 964, 993, 996, 997 ( current ).
    All 911's by nickname really more than anything. I think Porsche stopped calling it the 911 after the Carrera.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I think Porsche stopped calling it the 911 after the Carrera.

    Porsche still calls all of them 911!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    unkel wrote: »
    Porsche still calls all of them 911!

    Oh yea - fair enough, I stand corrected. Obviously some new rubbish came into my head that has pushed the old nonsense out ! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    langdang wrote: »
    Why don't you have a chat with this guy, he sounds like an A1 guy

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1788870

    As long as you don't talk Yite to him...

    I like that, wonder how much work it needs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    unkel wrote: »
    Porsche still calls all of them 911!
    Couldn't resist building one there.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I have to stop myself from going to the Porsche UK configurator. Time just flies out the window as I build myself Porsches. To be honest I love just the plain Vanilla 911 S, none of the that fancy turbo or 4 wheel drive non-sense :)
    I didn't even bother with the S, a standard Carrera coupé in white with a sprinkling of options and i'm happy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    What about this lovely 968? Four seats, lovely proven engine that is very reliable and all for less than 8k. I drove one at a Porsche track day and I was very impressed.

    Ahem ! :rolleyes:

    Why spend 8k, when you can spend less than 7k ?? ;)

    oh, what's that down there.......?.... a sig ?....surely not ?? :)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭DaForceCork


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    I like that, wonder how much work it needs.

    Previous owner of that was a car dealer from Carraigtwohill in Cork about two years ago.

    What condition is it in now? NCT is out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    I got a spin in a 4 wheel drive Porsche 911 yesterday. Very scary!
    All thanks to this thread:D

    Heres a picture of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭lomb


    Maybe buying one with a shot engine is the solution. Then you can budget the 8k euros to repair/upgrade it?
    I doubt Id be taking the gamble though. Looks like major engineering flaws in the early ones that you can't tell if the engine is going to let go or not. Better to get a later one or wait? How much does one save versus a 2002 one say?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭Tropheus


    I had a 993 C4S a few years back and would recommend the 993 over the 996 for depreciation if nothing else. Try and buy the best car you can and get it checked over by a mechanic if possible. If buying in the UK, make sure you do a HPI check as there are plenty of accident damaged cars out there.

    Parts are no more expensive that Audi or BMW parts and there are a few specialists around that can do servicing.

    The Porche Club of Ireland is a good source of information.


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