Gerry Adams talks about gross act of terrorism

mike65

He was talking about the Universal Social Charge. :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz

mike65 wrote: »

He was talking about the Universal Social Charge. :rolleyes:

That might blow up in his face.

mike65

I'm listening to him on Pat Kennys programme from Louth, if I were a SF member I'd be beside myself with anger at his grandstanding.

Kev_ps3

But your not Mike, your an anti-Irish Unionist who is constantly banging the drum against Irish Patriots

martinn123

Well at least Gerry has expertise, in Gross acts of Terrorism, not so sure he understands the USC.

mike65

Thanks for your input Kev,

I am not anti-Irish (if I were I'd not be here) and am not "Unionist" I believe in majority consent.

Gerry Adams is not an Irish patroit, he is a spoofer and ex bar-tender. Martin McGuiness is far more credible figure to me.

GSF

Looks like SF are settling for a core vote strategy now. They seem to havescaled back their expectations a bit.

dlofnep

I believe you're missing the point. He is highlighting that the USC is unfair, and a burden on some lesser-off families. If Nelson Mandela made the same statement, would you be quick to jump the gun? He was once considered a terrorist by popular media.

He has as much right as any other politician to express his views and highlight social injustice. This attitude towards Sinn Féin politicians that they don't deserve the right to engage in debates is assinine.

You might not respect Gerry Adams, but there are many who do. He received more votes than any other politician in the north - and Sinn Féin received more votes than any other party in the north, so they are obviously resonating with many. It's easy to judge the past of Sinn Féin and the IRA. But those that lived through the troubles understand the context of events that occurred, which is why they don't continue to beat the drum. Remember, that without Adams - there would be no peace process.

Is there many events that require investigation with regards to IRA attacks? Absolutely, and Gerry Adams wants to bring in an independent international investigation into all events that occurred to bring clarity and closure - both on the nationalist and on the unionist (and British military) sides. Why doesn't Britain aspire to see the same investigation?

You're entitled to your views Mike, but I sincerely doubt you're quick to address the history of your own military in Ireland.

mike65

I believe you're missing the point. He is highlighting that the USC is unfair, and a burden on some lesser-off families. If Nelson Mandela made the same statement, would you be quick to jump the gun? He was once considered a terrorist by popular media.

I doubt Mendela would be that crass, Adams middle name is crass which doesn't do SF any poltical favours - playing to the core vote doesn't get them any more seats indeed it may rob them of one or two as transfers go a different direction

You're entitled to your views Mike, but I sincerely doubt you're quick to address the history of your own military in Ireland.

Nice to know I'm allowed a voice I don't have any military history in Ireland

dlofnep

mike65 wrote: »

I doubt Mendela would be that crass, Adams middle name is crass which doesn't do SF any poltical favours - playing to the core vote doesn't get them any more seats indeed it may rob them of one or two as transfers go a different direction

That's a whole lot of subjectivity, without actually saying anything. You don't like Adams, we get it. But he's still entitled like any other politician running in this election to have a voice on the issues. If he's speaking to 1000's of people on a weekly basis through public meetings and canvassing from doors to doors - of course he's going to express their concerns.

mike65 wrote: »

Nice to know I'm allowed a voice I don't have any military history in Ireland

You as an individual do not. But your previous Government does. I'm not really interested in semantics. I'm just highlighting that you're very selective on which parts of Irish history you wish to highlight, and which you wish to sweep under the carpet. It's not an important point to make - just an observation. Don't dwell on it.

Pete_Cavan

dlofnep wrote: »

I believe you're missing the point. He is highlighting that the USC is unfair, and a burden on some lesser-off families. If Nelson Mandela made the same statement, would you be quick to jump the gun? He was once considered a terrorist by popular media.

He has as much right as any other politician to express his views and highlight social injustice. This attitude towards Sinn Féin politicians that they don't deserve the right to engage in debates is assinine.

You might not respect Gerry Adams, but there are many who do. He received more votes than any other politician in the north - and Sinn Féin received more votes than any other party in the north, so they are obviously resonating with many. It's easy to judge the past of Sinn Féin and the IRA. But those that lived through the troubles understand the context of events that occurred, which is why they don't continue to beat the drum. Remember, that without Adams - there would be no peace process.

Is there many events that require investigation with regards to IRA attacks? Absolutely, and Gerry Adams wants to bring in an independent international investigation into all events that occurred to bring clarity and closure - both on the nationalist and on the unionist (and British military) sides. Why doesn't Britain aspire to see the same investigation?

You're entitled to your views Mike, but I sincerely doubt you're quick to address the history of your own military in Ireland.

Except terrorism is not only in SFs past, it is in their present. IMO it is absolutely repulsive that they have people like Martin Ferris in their party. This is a man who has been imprisoned for terrorist activities and greeted the killers of Garda Gerry McCabe upon their release from prison. Until they get rid of people like that, SF will be associated with terrorism. I would be ashamed if a party who accepts people like this was to form part of our government.

mike65

dlofnep wrote: »

You as an individual do not. But your previous Government does. I'm not really interested in semantics. I'm just highlighting that you're very selective on which parts of Irish history you wish to highlight, and which you wish to sweep under the carpet. It's not an important point to make - just an observation. Don't dwell on it.

I have to dwell on it as you are apparently under the delusion that I as happen to have been born in Britain I should be held to account for the actions of that countries various governments going back 800 years.

I cannot and will not be held accountable. I do not have a previous government. I am me. Not a state, not an institution.

I left Britain as a 9 year old for Petes sake.

LordSutch

The hypocrisy of the man, he really is sick if he points the finger at others "calling them Terrorists"

My blood boils when I hear Adams say things like that, he is such a hypocrite.

Adams is the 1st leader in this Election debate to make a serious faux pa, and this will haunt him in the coming weeks.

Flimbos

Adams just got very agitated on Pat Kenny when he was asked twice (by a member of the public I think) if he had ever been a senior member of the IRA.

He replied "I wish you wouldn't ask me a question to which you know the answer...the answer is no."

When Kenny pressed him on it, he said "Why don't you go and ask Eamon Gilmore the same question?"

lugha

I would have thought that the real point of interest was his reference to terrorism. IT would be like Michael Noonan invoking analogies about blood transfusions or Conor Lenihan telling us that he had a kebab for lunch. It will inevitably draw attention away from whatever they are discussing to incidents past. Perhaps Adams is doing so deliberately? Maybe he is trying to control this issue?

Ardennes1944

oh boy oh boy oh boy, cant wait to vote Sinn Fein

zig

Flimbos wrote: »

Adams just got very agitated on Pat Kenny when he was asked twice (by a member of the public I think) if he had ever been a senior member of the IRA.

He replied "I wish you wouldn't ask me a question to which you know the answer...the answer is no."

When Kenny pressed him on it, he said "Why don't you go and ask Eamon Gilmore the same question?"

and whats your point? Even if he was telling the truth there he'd be getting agitated with constantly being pressed the same questions.

Do you ever see Neil Armstrongs reaction to being asked whether he really landed on the moon or not?

danbohan

LordSutch wrote: »

The hypocrisy of the man, he really is sick if he points the finger at others "calling them Terrorists"

My blood boils when I hear Adams say things like that, he is such a hypocrite.

Adams is the 1st leader in this Election debate to make a serious faux pa, and this will haunt him in the coming weeks.

no it wont , adams will be elected in a lanslide in louth , their is an anti sinn fein anti adams agenda right through the media and the political right in ireland , that smear campaign will intensify in coming days and i expect some garda actions towards the end of next week to try damage sinn fein ,

FlipperThePriest

mike65 wrote: »

Thanks for your input Kev,

I am not anti-Irish (if I were I'd not be here) and am not "Unionist" I believe in majority consent.

Gerry Adams is not an Irish patroit, he is a spoofer and ex bar-tender. Martin McGuiness is far more credible figure to me.

This argument is invalid. What difference is it if he's worked in a bar in his early 20s. A lot of other guys at that time were doing sweet f.a... you're the one spoofing!

Flimbos

zig wrote: »

and whats your point?

I just think it's a pity this issue keeps coming up and detracting from the issues of the day.

I give him every credit for his central role in the peace process but he should have came clean years ago and allowed people to move on.

dlofnep

mike65 wrote: »

I cannot and will not be held accountable. I do not have a previous government. I am me. Not a state, not an institution.

I left Britain as a 9 year old for Petes sake.

I never asked you to hold yourself accountable. You missed my point entirely. It's clear you don't want to acknowledge it either, so I'm not going to go around in circles on the matter.

mike65

Now now, I'm not letting you off the hook that easily - if I missed your point put it a clear concise manner and I'll answer it.

Aidan1

The reason the media keep going on about his denials of membership of the IRA, of a place on the 'Army Council', and of involvement in crimes like La Mon, or the abduction, torture and murder of Jean McConville, is because for decades Gerry Adams spoke to journalists as a member of the Provisional IRA, on condition that this would not be reported. So he was introducing himself to people as a Provo, in person, and now he's denying that, in person. In some cases to the same people.

As for 'moving on', well, the victims of the IRA terror campaign can hardly move on, can they? Why should he be allowed?

dlofnep

mike65 wrote: »

Now now, I'm not letting you off the hook that easily - if I missed your point put it a clear concise manner and I'll answer it.

Ok, then allow me to elaborate. You attack Gerry's right to discuss the current economic crisis, based on the choice of words he used. He is entitled to pass comment, as is any other politician. I would sincerely doubt that you would attack a British politician in the same manner that supported the measures that were taken by the British army during the troubles. Sinn Féin appears to be fair game for you - while many others worthy of commentary should not get a free pass from you.

I'm not asking that you be held accountable for any actions of the British army in the north either. It's not an issue of accountability on your behalf. What I am asking for is that if you wish to bring up the troubles - that you are ready to equally discuss British actions in the north and not dwell purely on nationalist ones. So the next time a British MP that supported British army measures in the north discusses social fairness and equality, you might create a thread on it and offer equal commentary.

Flimbos

Aidan1 wrote: »

As for 'moving on', well, the victims of the IRA terror campaign can hardly move on, can they? Why should he be allowed?

I agree - I could have phrased my previous post a bit better.

When I said 'move on', I meant if he had come clean about his involvement, it might have provided some sort of closure for victims.

mike65

dlofnep wrote: »

So the next time a British MP that supported British army measures in the north discusses social fairness and equality, you might create a thread on it and offer equal commentary.

Well I'd only do that if a he was talking about events in this jurstiction (the politics of the UK are of largely of academic interest only) and the MP thought it wise to lets say suggest a policy was like "Sending in the Paras". Can't see either happening myself.

watty

Flimbos wrote: »

I just think it's a pity this issue keeps coming up and detracting from the issues of the day.

I give him every credit for his central role in the peace process but he should have came clean years ago and allowed people to move on.

It's only because of Adams and the ones like him on the "other side" that we needed a Peace process.

SafeSurfer

dlofnep wrote: »

That's a whole lot of subjectivity, without actually saying anything. You don't like Adams, we get it. But he's still entitled like any other politician running in this election to have a voice on the issues. If he's speaking to 1000's of people on a weekly basis through public meetings and canvassing from doors to doors - of course he's going to express their concerns.

I wonder if Gerry Adams has been able to get on the emergency electoral register to enable him to vote for himself.
Gerry has never paid tax in his constituency so its not surprising that he is ignorant of tax and VAT rates, cut him some slack.

SafeSurfer

Gerry Adam's condemns "Gross Act Of Terrorism".

Chucky the tree

danbohan wrote: »

no it wont , adams will be elected in a lanslide in louth , their is an anti sinn fein anti adams agenda right through the media and the political right in ireland , that smear campaign will intensify in coming days and i expect some garda actions towards the end of next week to try damage sinn fein ,

The media don't need to run a smear campaign, all they need to do is have a microphone around Gery Adams or Pearse doherty when they are asked questions about the economy and that's more then enough to put people off voting for them.

Zubeneschamali

dlofnep wrote: »

I would sincerely doubt that you would attack a British politician in the same manner

He is attacking a British politician: the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead and former Westminster MP, Gerry Adams.

calex71

Caught the headline of the Evening Herald on my way past the seller on the road, something about Gerry trying to silence them

Bottle_of_Smoke

Must have been said for publicity. Adams is too smart a man to overlook accusations of hypocrisy.

Whats utterly bizarre about the whole Adams/IRA thing is that he was the leader of Sinn Fein and therefore the whole provisional republican movement. Being in Sinn Fein from 1969-1996 was morally the same as being in the IRA, just like being a ruling British MP was morally the same as being in the British army.

Is there anyone who would be less likely to vote for Sinn Fein if Adams admitted to IRA membership? The reality is his supporters know he was in the IRA and either don't care/respect him for it. Everyone attacking him for being in the IRA is never going to vote for him anyway.

dlofnep

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He is attacking a British politician: the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead and former Westminster MP, Gerry Adams.

Gerry Adams never held that title. And as witty as you'd like to think you are, Gerry holds an Irish passport and is as Irish as I am.

Zubeneschamali

dlofnep wrote: »

Gerry Adams never held that title.

He holds it right now. Ask the UK Prime Minister.

danbohan

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The media don't need to run a smear campaign, all they need to do is have a microphone around Gery Adams or Pearse doherty when they are asked questions about the economy and that's more then enough to put people off voting for them.

you should ring Fianna fail head office and tell them that , they will be so relived and it might stop them making a further laugh of themselves

LordSutch

Quite sickening to think what Adams & Sinn Fein/IRA have done over the years in the way of making people dissappear (literally), and yet, there are those within SF & outside who would compare the economic incompetence of Fianna Fail to a ruthless tribe who would stop at nothing to get their hands on the reigns of power in this State. Adams is some hypocrite slinging mud at FF, and even if Martin is incompetent, he is not connected in any way with Terrorists.

Adams 'high & mighty' - hypocritical attitude makes me sick!

The_Joker

Gerry Adams for Taoiseach

Well, why not?

Nelson Mandela became President of South Africa;
Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel;
Yasser Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize and was welcomed into the White House;
Colonel Gaddafi was courted and praised by Tony Blair:
History is replete with those who were once designated ‘terrorists’; incarcerated, reviled and repudiated, yet eventually welcomed to the political top table without repentance.

And why be a self-exiled minnow in Westminster when you could be a fully-communicant carp in the Dáil?

Courtesy of Archbishop Cranmer

.......At least make him minister for defence and Martin McGuinness minister for justice!
Oh I can see it now Ireland at war with itself and all prisoners released with kneecaps in a bag.


Most active member of SF

Wolfe Tone

Gerry is a smart man dragging and calling all the mudslingers out with a comment like that, making them look a wee bit daft in the process.


Sure he isn't, nor has he ever been, a terrorist anyway

nesf

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

But your not Mike, your an anti-Irish Unionist who is constantly banging the drum against Irish Patriots

Please don't throw around labels like Unionist merely because someone doesn't like Sinn Fein.

johnmcdnl

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Except terrorism is not only in SFs past, it is in their present. IMO it is absolutely repulsive that they have people like Martin Ferris in their party. This is a man who has been imprisoned for terrorist activities and greeted the killers of Garda Gerry McCabe upon their release from prison. Until they get rid of people like that, SF will be associated with terrorism. I would be ashamed if a party who accepts people like this was to form part of our government.

Nelson Mandela was imprisoned too for what you could consider terrorism :rolleyes: I'm going to continue to uphold this belief and call Nelson Mandela a terrorist and along with Martin Ferris I'm never gong to accept him as a legitimate politician who can be accepted into any form of government without bringing shame to a country...

dlofnep

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He holds it right now. Ask the UK Prime Minister.

He never accepted the title, and therefore does not hold it. You're not a fascist are you?

Zubeneschamali

dlofnep wrote: »

He never accepted the title, and therefore does not hold it.

The rules of Westminster (for which he ran, and to which he was elected) do not allow him to resign without being appointed to the position.

He resigned, and was appointed to the position. His acceptance is neither here not there.

Bubblegums

IMHO M Martin made the remark about G Adams because M Martin had no decent intelligent remark to make and wanted/needed to deflect the attention away from FFs handiwork at ruining Ireland.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Bubblegums wrote: »

IMHO M Martin made the remark about G Adams because M Martin had no decent intelligent remark to make and wanted/needed to deflect the attention away from FFs handiwork at ruining Ireland.

so thats sf way too look,specialy when gerry ads was asked where he get 16 billion from , and even worse,jerry adams didnt know the vat rate in ireland

joesoap007

Aidan1 wrote: »

The reason the media keep going on about his denials of membership of the IRA, of a place on the 'Army Council', and of involvement in crimes like La Mon, or the abduction, torture and murder of Jean McConville, is because for decades Gerry Adams spoke to journalists as a member of the Provisional IRA, on condition that this would not be reported. So he was introducing himself to people as a Provo, in person, and now he's denying that, in person. In some cases to the same people.

As for 'moving on', well, the victims of the IRA terror campaign can hardly move on, can they? Why should he be allowed?

bla bla bla bla .all the partys had their hand on the gun at one time or another,as for McConville it was a war people get killed.if your warned to stay away from the enemy well stay away.you cant blame adams for every murder.as for moving on we did a great job moving on without our brothers and sisters in the north.they carried on the fight our fight and now your all calling them terrorists.did yous forget how we won our freedom in the south ?.if you dont trust sinn fein ask the psni they raided their offices a few years back did they find anything?no not even a bad spelling (unlike me) lol..oh still dont trust SF ask the loyalists on the shankill road why they vote for them

come think of it the barefaced cheek of you ,victims of the IRA terror campaign can hardly move on, can they you said..rrrr god love them.tell that to the millons killed over 800 years of english rule.tell that to the bloody sunday marchers after the queen pinned medels on the parras chests for Bravery,


.http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2011/01/shankill-road-residents-vote-for-sinn.html

joesoap007

The_Joker wrote: »

.......At least make him minister for defence and Martin McGuinness minister for justice!
Oh I can see it now Ireland at war with itself and all prisoners released with kneecaps in a bag.


Most active member of SF

your name suits your post,your a joke.you have some neck .were did you get the pic from ?some anti irish pro unionist site.?you should rename your self ,sick joke.
adams is in in louth.like it or not they will win plenty of seats for the great work they done up north alone..what you think about that sick joke?

KELTICKNIGHTT

joesoap007 wrote: »

bla bla bla bla .all the partys had their hand on the gun at one time or another,as for McConville it was a war people get killed.if your warned to stay away from the enemy well stay away.you cant blame adams for every murder.as for moving on we did a great job moving on without our brothers and sisters in the north.they carried on the fight our fight and now your all calling them terrorists.did yous forget how we won our freedom in the south ?.if you dont trust sinn fein ask the psni they raided their offices a few years back did they find anything?no not even a bad spelling (unlike me) lol..oh still dont trust SF ask the loyalists on the shankill road why they vote for them

come think of it the barefaced cheek of you ,victims of the IRA terror campaign can hardly move on, can they you said..rrrr god love them.tell that to the millons killed over 800 years of english rule.tell that to the bloody sunday marchers after the queen pinned medels on the parras chests for Bravery,


.http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2011/01/shankill-road-residents-vote-for-sinn.html

this republican bull is getting old ,if this is all that sf is about then ireland is better off without sinn fein,same guff as for last 40 years