NCBC BULLS

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any one know what virus these bulls had in ncbc WILL GENE IRELAND BULLS BE AFFECTED

bogman_bass

Shouldnt.
Test bulls are collected on a different farm that is IBR free for now at least

cows123

All these bulls were killed.

Dairy Sires:
SOK, KOZ, FLT, HRJ, UPH, GVV, NFT, IRP and GMZ.

Beef sires:
Ch: CF85, KIB,
Lm: FL25, CVV,
Aa: FIW,
He: AGI.

_walsh_

47 buuls in total!! scary how the years of hard work and breeding can be wiped out just like that.:(

john8984

is the full list of beef bulls culled from ncbc due to ibr on the NCBC website or is it known by anybody.

Bodacious

john8984 wrote: »

is the full list of beef bulls culled from ncbc due to ibr on the NCBC website or is it known by anybody.

Is there any confirmed list anywhere of exactly which beef bulls are gone?

Thanks in advance

pakalasa

Get the feeling that NCBC wont be screaming about which bulls are gone. They're sitting on a lot of 'good' straws from bulls that are now gone. People might be less inclined to take these for fear of introducing IBR into their herd. Just my feeling anyway!

whelan1

what about recently used semen?

JohnBoy

I would have thought they'd have to destroy any straws from the infected cattle too.

unless they can test the gogo juice itself for IBR

pakalasa

Any straws produced before the last Full Clear IBR test are deemed ok for use. The big question though is - are the straws really safe? The reckon the infected bulls may have had, a latent form of IBR. If it was latent in the bulls, could it be latent in the straws also? Thats the fear!

"IBR is caused by a herpes virus and is often compared in humans to the 'cold sore' virus and the Shingles virus.
Research has shown that the herpes viruses are capable of becoming latent. This means that when an animal is infected with the virus, and clinical signs are cured, the virus can remain in the animal's body and be reactivated by stress."


"Implications for 2011?
According to NCBC, quantities of semen collected prior to this incident are in stock in sufficient volume to meet spring 2011 demand."

From;
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/farming-NCBC-s-IBR-disaster-for-AI-change-12569.html

bogman_bass

a beast can be a latent carrier but it cant shed the viris when its latent so if he was clear in the last test then anything collected in that time is good to go

pakalasa

If the bull can go from IBR Active to Latent and then back to Active again, how do they know that the bulls werent Active for a short time and then went latent at the time of testing. I take it they dont test every straw for IBR and only test the bulls at set intervals. It this is the case then some infected straws could have slipped through.
Don't honestly know - just asking the question, but NCBC havent really come out with any very strong statment either way yet.

whelan1

i really think this could make or break ncbc , people are going to be very wary unless there is a full statement made...

Bodacious

pakalasa wrote: »

Get the feeling that NCBC wont be screaming about which bulls are gone. They're sitting on a lot of 'good' straws from bulls that are now gone. People might be less inclined to take these for fear of introducing IBR into their herd. Just my feeling anyway!

its a balls though not knowing exactly though and i know AI men will be using the excuse to use up older/less favourable sires rather than what you ask for

stanflt

Bodacious wrote: »

its a balls though not knowing exactly though and i know AI men will be using the excuse to use up older/less favourable sires rather than what you ask for

time for more lads to do diy ai-

jeff greene

Bodacious wrote: »

its a balls though not knowing exactly though and i know AI men will be using the excuse to use up older/less favourable sires rather than what you ask for

I have my own tank and get the local Munster guy to do the AI, I’m not tied to using his bulls that way, plenty of good bulls around

Bodacious

stanflt wrote: »

time for more lads to do diy ai-

I think there was a thread on here before and 70 cows a year was the cut-off to justify the course, the tank, annual refilling with liquid nitrogen etc no where near that amount of cows unless i went on the road but still like to do it!:)

PMU

did ncbc ever identify the source of the infection.if not,why not. my ai man has straws in the tank for me since before the outbreak, i am wondering now are they safe.

bogman_bass

Why not? How are they going to know? anything could have happened. Some vidictive B&$%$d could have have broken in and thrown a handful of dung in for all we know.
My point is, finding the source of a viral outbreak aint that easy. Thats the thing about viris's they dont leave fingerprints or a smoking gun at the crime scene

as for your straws, their fine. If they were collected after the last clear test NCBC would have rang you and replaced them

PMU

bogman_bass wrote: »

Why not? How are they going to know? anything could have happened. Some vidictive B&$%$d could have have broken in and thrown a handful of dung in for all we know.
My point is, finding the source of a viral outbreak aint that easy. Thats the thing about viris's they dont leave fingerprints or a smoking gun at the crime scene

as for your straws, their fine. If they were collected after the last clear test NCBC would have rang you and replaced them

I dont believe it was vindictive,but a breakdown in preventative measures happened.most of the bulls were infected.something major went wrong! If I am expected to pay E600 for straws,I expect an explenation. pat

jeff greene

PMU wrote: »

I dont believe it was vindictive,but a breakdown in preventative measures happened.most of the bulls were infected.something major went wrong! If I am expected to pay E600 for straws,I expect an explenation. pat

You're not obligated to use their bulls, remember this isn't the first time it happened or indeed the the first stud in the world to have an outbreak.

PMU

jeff greene wrote: »

You're not obligated to use their bulls, remember this isn't the first time it happened or indeed the the first stud in the world to have an outbreak.

i want to use their bulls,and I want to know why this happened.! I will also use some LIC bulls.