hpr training

Kieron854

hi lads im looking for a hpr trainer in north leinster i know one guy in kells but would like to get trained my self with the dog. the dog is 14 months now and i thought i was mooving in right direction but was out the other day and thought about killing him so i think a bit of pro help is needed

2smokinbarrels

getting a pointer myself soon( NO I DONT WANT YOURS! LOL ) defo going to get him trained please let me know if you get sorted and how you rate the trainer and any info you can give ta.

snipe02

Kieron854 wrote: »

hi lads im looking for a hpr trainer in north leinster i know one guy in kells but would like to get trained my self with the dog. the dog is 14 months now and i thought i was mooving in right direction but was out the other day and thought about killing him so i think a bit of pro help is needed

stick with it try find a reason for the set back and go from the start all over again if ya have to i feel your pain i have springers not the same i know but i know the feeling what happened that you felt like shooting him ....i laughed when i read this the amount of times i felt like that but its rewarding when you work through it and you will be all the wiser for it and so will the dog 14 months is still only a pup

Alchemist2

purchase the bryanscroft hpr training dvds set of 4 for 99 sterling(paul french videos)..its possibly the best dog training dvd out there.. lots of training dvds use fully trained dogs and show the process of obedience hunting etc and the dogs get it right first time but this guy (rory major )is using young dogs and the senarios are exactly the way they happen when your training your own dog.. its all step by step.. shows how to cure problems the lot and at a fraction of the cost of employing a dog trainer.. seriously if a person cant follow this dvd then maybe they should take up draughts no disrespect but when you see the dvds you'll know what i mean definitely an investment

charlie10

i had a similar experience when my pointer pup made a deadly retrieve off a pond with a teal and decided to run up about two feet away from me and then would leg it the other way!!but then two days later locked on to his first phesant and waited till i got close enough to take the shot,and im not joking it was a special moment which i will never forget, i put alot of time into him and it was worth every second .

Kieron854

i know what your saying when it goes right its great but i dont think i have the experience to move him on that why i dot just want to send him off for a few weeks and the collect a trained dog just one or two sessions a week whith a trainer then homework inbetween . im not sure if im giving him to much head or not exposing him to game enough or to much ,and then when i have him out and he starts messing i lose heart or the rag which is no good either

Alchemist2

get the dvds mate you WILL see exactly what you are doing wrong and how to cure it..

snipe02

maybe your taking the training too serious and the dog can tell so it goes pear shaped are you making it into a game and fun for both of you ......ya have'nt really given enough of description of whats going maybe if you did someone on here that trains hpr's could put you in the right direction if then you still feel you needc a professional then at least you can say you tried

irish setter

don't get to down about it and when things go wrong [and they will even for the best of em] call it a day for that session. read what books or get dvd's you can as the lads have said and take your time. remember at 14 months he don't know what he is about yet so don't put him under too much pressure. what problems are you having?

Kieron854

ok where is it going wrong , he has great pace and is good and bold ie he goes out well but checks back over his shoulder for me he will quater but not to sharply if i give him a pip and hand signal he might or might not turn he might or might not come back so i go back to basics he comes back every time back to the feild good for half an hour then off he goes hes only locking on points now but moves before i get up to him and once he flushes his head is gone altogeather

irish setter

Kieron854 wrote: »

ok where is it going wrong , he has great pace and is good and bold ie he goes out well but checks back over his shoulder for me he will quater but not to sharply if i give him a pip and hand signal he might or might not turn he might or might not come back so i go back to basics he comes back every time back to the feild good for half an hour then off he goes hes only locking on points now but moves before i get up to him and once he flushes his head is gone altogeather

ok well first its good he is checking back which means he is hunting with you and looking for directions, and it's a good time to give one cause more than likely he will obey. when a dog is quartering, on the turn he should draw forward into the wind first before coming back across you. dogs that turn sharply don't cover their ground properly and are probably over trained and running as opposed to hunting. a good tip is to read your dog and just as he starts to turn of his own accord give the signal. try not to turn him if you think he will disobey. as for moving on point, you should have him trained to drop or to stop on command. when he locks on drop him or stop him till you reach him, then you can get up to him and put a lead on and stroke him up till you give him the command to move forward. this way he don't get the chance to loose his head after the flush

welsummer

Hi kieron,.
I believe you have a Spinoni Italiano , so you training should be somewhat different because of their temperment.. But a book on training for that breed.
I'm not sure I'm going to be much use to you, and you are most probably way past this stage anyway, but there are Gundog classes now being held at Cloughran, the National Show Centre, near Dublin Airport, every 2 weeks, on Tuesday evenings.

Their email address is
angela.hancock35@gmail.com

emergundog

Where are you based kieron? Agree rory major DVDs are fab. I know a lot of her people who have been trained by him to, and they said the DVDs are fab in comparison.

I trained with Trevor Rigby in the uk, but am now back home in Dublin. Trevor gave me a number of someone who is based in Ireland (not sure where), and I will be ringing him tomorrow.

I would say that your dog is getting mixed signals. They know more than we do by instinct, and totally agree that it's all about learning to read him. Sounds like the perfect time to get some guidance - hprs are a clever sort who will quickly figure out whether they're better off going self-employed! Just seeing your dog through someone elses eyes (who knows hprs and ideally your breed) will prove invaluable.

Kieron854

thanks all for replies I think emer might be right just someone whith more experienec to see him and offer some advice and encouragement I'm in ncd by the way

emergundog

Where in ncd?

I have a good book that I bought from Trevor that you can borrow, but unfortunately it doesn't have all of his vision first-hand :-).

I'm hoping to get a trainer I know over for a few days training - perhaps we should set up a hpr training club?

Kieron854

im in skerries emer would be into the idea of meeting up with your self and others but dont know about a club let me know about the trainer aswell .did you get hunting this season (i checked your posts)?

emergundog

No kieron, we didn't.

I did have a kind offer of a couple of days on a shoot but couldn't do it because of a death in the family.

I ran my dog a few times on the land behind ardgillan over the last while, but not much game on the land where I was. I could hear guns in the near distance so didn't want to go deeper.

I'm Hoping to get over to the uk for a spring pointing test this year, and a few trials in the autumn, so I need to sort something out.