Does anyone keep stats?

ShriekingSheet

Does anybody keep track of their fairways hit, greens in regulation, putting stats etc? Would be interested to know what people's average stats are, and how you keep track of them.

IITYWYBMAD

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Does anybody keep track of their fairways hit, greens in regulation, putting stats etc? Would be interested to know what people's average stats are, and how you keep track of them.

I don't do Fairways hit, but I do keep GIR and putts, I keep the figures in my head, and (sometimes) embellish my round on howdidido. I don't have my averages to hand, but last two rounds (18 Holes) were 28 and 26 putts respectively, which is good for me. Helped by a few up and downs and a couple holed from off the green (one in each of the last two rounds).

GIR I have been 14 and 13 respectively in last two rounds.

NoelAPM

Golfshot. Free app for the iPhone! Brilliant. If you don't have the phone google it! You can probilly store your stats after every round from the website.

ShriekingSheet

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

I don't do Fairways hit, but I do keep GIR and putts, I keep the figures in my head, and (sometimes) embellish my round on howdidido. I don't have my averages to hand, but last two rounds (18 Holes) were 28 and 26 putts respectively, which is good for me. Helped by a few up and downs and a couple holed from off the green (one in each of the last two rounds).

GIR I have been 14 and 13 respectively in last two rounds.

Cheers. Mind me asking what your handicap is?

Iangolf

I use an excel spreadsheet that i created and keep track of my GIR, no. of Putts and putt distance, Shots inside 150 yards, Up&Down percentage.

I have attached it, it would be fairly easy to ammend to your own course. I have calculations in to work out stableford points for me off 12, but you can easily change that too.

Whyner

No, scorecard is embarrassing enough

I thought about it when I was playing better but don't see the need. If you're consistently weak with some area it should be evident .....

dvemail

I dont do it.
But i might start doing one for what club to play off the tee on each hole.
Like over a series of rounds i would use either a Driver, 3W, or rescue off the tee and see what club helps me get the lowest score on each hole.
I know it all doesnt come down to the drive but it could help somewhat.

IITYWYBMAD

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Cheers. Mind me asking what your handicap is?

7. Biggest difference to my game, I joined Carton House range, and took a couple of lessons (short game)over the last 6 months. My biggest issue last year was 100 yards in, I'm markedly better for a bit of practice and knowing what to do. Can't wait for the end of the winter.

dnjoyce

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

I don't do Fairways hit, but I do keep GIR and putts, I keep the figures in my head, and (sometimes) embellish my round on howdidido. I don't have my averages to hand, but last two rounds (18 Holes) were 28 and 26 putts respectively, which is good for me. Helped by a few up and downs and a couple holed from off the green (one in each of the last two rounds).

GIR I have been 14 and 13 respectively in last two rounds.

I can only dream of 26/28 putts a round! I used to keep stats on a basic enough excel sheet but just started using an app on iphone - performance stats I think it's called - keeps the score (total, par 3/4/5's) fairways, gir, putts, putts per gir, scrambling and sand saves

chalkie 501

NoelAPM wrote: »

Golfshot. Free app for the iPhone! Brilliant. If you don't have the phone google it! You can probilly store your stats after every round from the website.

must check that out........ive been noting my stats in the diary we get at the start of the year...joting down GIR,putts,fairways,birdies and pars and what score i had for each comp..i started doing it years ago(many years ago:rolleyes:) when i was a junior

death1234567

I sometimes keep track of the number of putts I hit per round just by writing it down for each hole on the scorecard.

G1032

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Does anybody keep track of their fairways hit, greens in regulation, putting stats etc? Would be interested to know what people's average stats are, and how you keep track of them.

I have an excel sheet that I did up.
It will give you GIR + season percentage of GIR, Fairways Hit + season percentage of FH, Putts, Points, Gross Points, your own indexes v the course indexes. Also season average for front 9, back 9 etc.
It can be adapted for any handicap and for any course (except for a course with a par 6 hole!!)
PM me if you want a copy.

charlieIRL

NoelAPM wrote: »

Golfshot. Free app for the iPhone! Brilliant. If you don't have the phone google it! You can probilly store your stats after every round from the website.

i use this as well, very handy.

Had an excel sheet done out for when i started playing and kept track of my first 6 months of playing - very depressing reading!!

JD Dublin

I keep a spreadsheet with the bare scores, but interesting that people seem to keep track of putting and other things on their spreadsheets.

I tend to play the same courses ( irregularly ) so it is handy in that way.

Kace

I keep track throughout the round by marking everything on the card - by the end of a round, it looks as if I have a card marked for about 5 players !

I take a quick look at the end of the round to see how I have done against the standard measures.

About once a year I take an hour and enter the cards into a spreadsheet, however I never really do anything with the info apart from cringe at the end of a season when I see how poor the stats have been.

Had a mixed bag this weekend, with a paltry 4 fairways hit and similar with greens in regulation (normal for me these days). My scrambling was better and still managed 32 points mainly due to a 28 putt round.

Fore Iron

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

I don't do Fairways hit, but I do keep GIR and putts, I keep the figures in my head, and (sometimes) embellish my round on howdidido. I don't have my averages to hand, but last two rounds (18 Holes) were 28 and 26 putts respectively, which is good for me. Helped by a few up and downs and a couple holed from off the green (one in each of the last two rounds).

GIR I have been 14 and 13 respectively in last two rounds.

Sorry, I think I'm just being stupid and getting myself mathematically confused.

For the first round; of the 4 greens you missed, lets say you had 1 chip in and the rest were one putts, making three in total, then to have 28 putts overall you therefore had 3 birdies in the remaining 14 holes you hit in regulation.

For the second round; of the 5 greens you missed, lets say one chip in and 4 one putts, making four, then you had 4 birdies in the remaining 13 holes you hit in regulation to make 26 putts in total.

That doesn't even allow for par 5's where you might get up in two and two putt for birdie or three putt for par.

Are you shooting way below your handicap or are the one putt holes disaster holes where you one putt for a 7 or 8?

IITYWYBMAD

Fore Iron wrote: »

Sorry, I think I'm just being stupid and getting myself mathematically confused.

For the first round; of the 4 greens you missed, lets say you had 1 chip in and the rest were one putts, making three in total, then to have 28 putts overall you therefore had 3 birdies in the remaining 14 holes you hit in regulation.

For the second round; of the 5 greens you missed, lets say one chip in and 4 one putts, making four, then you had 4 birdies in the remaining 13 holes you hit in regulation to make 26 putts in total.

That doesn't even allow for par 5's where you might get up in two and two putt for birdie or three putt for par.

Are you shooting way below your handicap or are the one putt holes disaster holes where you one putt for a 7 or 8?

5 1 y 4
3 1 y 2
5 2 y 5
3 2 y 3
4 2 y 4
4 1 n 7
4 2 y 4
4 2 y 4
5 1 n 6
5 2 n 7
4 1 y 3
4 2 y 4
3 0 n 3
4 2 y 4
4 2 y 4
3 2 y 3
4 1 n 4
5 2 y 5

No need for the apology, as I would seriously find it difficult to believe myself, so I can understand your skepticism tbh. When I noticed the question from Sheet, I wasn't going to bother answering, but I have SFA to hide, so I answered the question as honestly as I could, so again, no problem questioning my answer,

Just a couple of qualifiers, I count putts as using the putter on the putting surface, as opposed to using the putter. For example, the extract above from HDID has a 0 putt on hole 13. I used the putter, but from the fringe, and holed out. I also hit 13 and 12 GIR's and not 14 and 13 as previously said. from the left, the table reads Par, Putts, GIR? and Score. My score was 76 on a Par of 73, off the forward stakes, and with placing everywhere...hardly ground breaking, but hitting it well enough. I've gone 'round in par previously, in the same conditions...

Mat the trasher

Sheet, have this software, you get a month free trial (score saver2) after you have to purchase the licence, which is a bit expensive, however there is a verry simple way to continue to use it without violating the legal stuff or hacking it.

Trampas

On a side note. I love the pga tour stats on players.

madds

NoelAPM wrote: »

Golfshot. Free app for the iPhone! Brilliant. If you don't have the phone google it! You can probilly store your stats after every round from the website.

Have been using this app since last year. Doesn't make for pretty reading at the moment! At a glance though I can tell that if I'm going to miss a fairway I usually miss it right. Also my GIR figures are not good, so I depend on my scrambling to save par.

ShriekingSheet

I'm surprised so many on the forum keep stats - thought it would be one or two.

Isn't it hard to know whether there's any real benefit in it though?

IITYWYBMAD

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

I'm surprised so many on the forum keep stats - thought it would be one or two.

Isn't it hard to know whether there's any real benefit in it though?

I'd venture that stats can be both a interference and help. I read a stat somewhere that 45% of your scoring is down to putting? (i could have the percentage wrong) But i have found in the past, when playing, that to concentrate on "where you are at" at that time, can influence your game significantly, and that's not a good thing.

I enjoy golf, but I enjoy it a lot more when playing well. Maturity (from a golf perspective) has brought with it many things, such as shot choice, course management, lay up where in the past I would have blasted a wood or iron for the green, or tried that 1 in 100 hook around a tree.

One thing that has really improved my golf and scores, measurably so, is to stop pin chasing. My natural shot was a fade, and is now a slight draw. However the fade can creep back into the swing now and again, and with it comes missing greens on the right, if the pin is right side. If I take aim for the centre of the green, and the pin is right side, 8/10 I'll hit the green and two put, if it's left side, and I get my draw my putt stats improve...but that one tip, has revolutionized my GIR's and Putting stats.

So to finish, I believe stats are good ;-) . Do you keep them?

J6P

I read some of rotellas books and have since started doing the following..

I keep stats on my best rounds +1 or better. H'cap of 5. If i hit a bad patch i go look at those scores and remember the days when i played well and hit good shots, made lots of putts.

I dont want to know about the bad rounds so the last thing i want to be doing is filling out a spreadsheet when i get home and remembering all my 3 putts and duffed chips etc.

dnjoyce

J6P wrote: »

I read some of rotellas books and have since started doing the following..

I keep stats on my best rounds +1 or better. H'cap of 5. If i hit a bad patch i go look at those scores and remember the days when i played well and hit good shots, made lots of putts.

I dont want to know about the bad rounds so the last thing i want to be doing is filling out a spreadsheet when i get home and remembering all my 3 putts and duffed chips etc.

I'm all for the positive attitude on the course, visualizing the ball dropping in the hole or a good drive I hit on this hole last week etc, but to ignore your bad rounds altogether is missing the point I think. It's not going to help you standing over a 6 foot putt to know that you are 50% from that range for the season (as an example) but it will certainly help you to knw this if you have a spare 20 minutes after work and you want something to work on, instead of mindlessly hitting drivers down the range. Stats are no use to you on the course, but they are useful for using your practice time wisely.

soundsham

Just put my last 2 rounds in to golfshot app at lunch .....
Must say it looks super at 1st glance

Mister Sifter

I keep stats, but i'm not too sure how useful they really are. Golfshot is a pretty cool app, but it tells me very little about my game that i could actually use to improve. It's handy for knowing things like which side of the fairway i miss on, but other than that it's main use if for sharing with mates to see how each other fared in a particular round.

I used Howdidido for a couple of years, but it's stats are very basic. Handy for knowing my stroke average for the year, but not much there i can use to improve my game.

It's been said before that the value of putting stats such as putts per round are debatable... putters per GIR perhaps have a little more value. I guess you'd get more value out of knowing how you fared from certain distances i.e. inside 6 foot, outside 25 foot etc.

For example, i had 26 putts in a round recently, but when i analysed the round in my head afterwards, i felt my putting was what stopped me from scoring better. I holed one putt outside 5ft all day and missed 4 or 5 (out of maybe 7 or 8 putts) inside ten feet. I holed one putt from off the green and chipped to inside 5 feet numerous times. A typical stats package would hide the true story in my opinion.

For me, the best way to analyse your game is to have a good think about it on the way to work or something the next day. I'm able to work out what i need to work on/practice far better that way than i would be from looking at Golfshot. I think most golfers, if they analyse their game in the right way in their minds, will know the weak/strong areas.

My two cents worth...

Fore Iron

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

5 1 y 4
3 1 y 2
5 2 y 5
3 2 y 3
4 2 y 4
4 1 n 7
4 2 y 4
4 2 y 4
5 1 n 6
5 2 n 7
4 1 y 3
4 2 y 4
3 0 n 3
4 2 y 4
4 2 y 4
3 2 y 3
4 1 n 4
5 2 y 5

No need for the apology, as I would seriously find it difficult to believe myself, so I can understand your skepticism tbh. When I noticed the question from Sheet, I wasn't going to bother answering, but I have SFA to hide, so I answered the question as honestly as I could, so again, no problem questioning my answer,

Just a couple of qualifiers, I count putts as using the putter on the putting surface, as opposed to using the putter. For example, the extract above from HDID has a 0 putt on hole 13. I used the putter, but from the fringe, and holed out. I also hit 13 and 12 GIR's and not 14 and 13 as previously said. from the left, the table reads Par, Putts, GIR? and Score. My score was 76 on a Par of 73, off the forward stakes, and with placing everywhere...hardly ground breaking, but hitting it well enough. I've gone 'round in par previously, in the same conditions...

That's great shooting! Yeah, when I saw 14 GiR and 28 putts that generally will come out pretty close to level par, which only for your 5th hole you would have managed. Placing or not, it's such a nice feeling to be playing below your handicap, in particular if your putter is working which it certainly seems to be for you.

My best round so far is a 73 with 50% GiR and 27 putts. Probably averaging close to 31 putts a round and maybe 60% GiR at this stage. Putting needs work!!!

WH BONNEY

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

5 1 y 4
3 1 y 2
5 2 y 5
3 2 y 3
4 2 y 4
4 1 n 7
4 2 y 4
4 2 y 4
5 1 n 6
5 2 n 7
4 1 y 3
4 2 y 4
3 0 n 3
4 2 y 4
4 2 y 4
3 2 y 3
4 1 n 4
5 2 y 5

No need for the apology, as I would seriously find it difficult to believe myself, so I can understand your skepticism tbh. When I noticed the question from Sheet, I wasn't going to bother answering, but I have SFA to hide, so I answered the question as honestly as I could, so again, no problem questioning my answer,

Just a couple of qualifiers, I count putts as using the putter on the putting surface, as opposed to using the putter. For example, the extract above from HDID has a 0 putt on hole 13. I used the putter, but from the fringe, and holed out. I also hit 13 and 12 GIR's and not 14 and 13 as previously said. from the left, the table reads Par, Putts, GIR? and Score. My score was 76 on a Par of 73, off the forward stakes, and with placing everywhere...hardly ground breaking, but hitting it well enough. I've gone 'round in par previously, in the same conditions...

This is an observation and not a critisisim.

Looking at your original post and then the stats posted above my guessing is that you are a very good iron player an exceptional chipper but you must actually be a very poor putter.

Nearly every green you miss you get up and down and nearly every green you hit you two putt. With those GIR'S I would expect to be playing off scratch or 1.

saintastic

I use software called Stat Doctor. You input all your data from the round and then it spits out your stats afterwards.

But the great thing is that it gives you your stats and compares them to an 18 handicapper and a scratch handicapper. I started off at 13 so it was very useful to see the areas that I improved. For example, my driving was at the level of a single digit handicapper but my GIRs were the same as an 18 handicapper. Key area for me to work on which I did.

You get 10 free rounds and then you have to buy the software for $29.95.

My brother and my friend also use it so I can also compare my stats to them.

I do not work for Stat Doctor nor do I have any affiliation with them.

The downside is that you have to set the course up on the software but this takes around 5/10 minutes if you have the card of the course in front of you.

IITYWYBMAD

WH BONNEY wrote: »

This is an observation and not a critisisim.

Looking at your original post and then the stats posted above my guessing is that you are a very good iron player an exceptional chipper but you must actually be a very poor putter.

Nearly every green you miss you get up and down and nearly every green you hit you two putt. With those GIR'S I would expect to be playing off scratch or 1.

I'd agree, to a certain extent, but the stats are cold tbh. Firstly, no 3 putts, secondly, I've already conceded that my short game has been the key to my improvement (and I agree), finally it's a work in progress.

I played Coorstown yesterday. 13GIR's and 30 putts. 1 over gross on the front and 4 over gross on the back. No 3 putts, hit 8/9 greens on the front 9.

Fore Iron

WH BONNEY wrote: »

This is an observation and not a critisisim.

Looking at your original post and then the stats posted above my guessing is that you are a very good iron player an exceptional chipper but you must actually be a very poor putter.

Nearly every green you miss you get up and down and nearly every green you hit you two putt. With those GIR'S I would expect to be playing off scratch or 1.

The average amateur is reaching a green in regulation and most likely leaving the ball well outside 10 or 15 feet and probably closer to 30 feet from the flag on average. Even pros don't make more than half their putts from outside 6 feet so as long as he is not 3 putting then he is actually putting reasonably well.

And good chipping is only half the story when it comes to up and downs. You have to make the putt too, so unless your chipping to 2 feet all the time then you must also putt well to get up and down more often than not.

WH BONNEY

Fore Iron wrote: »

The average amateur is reaching a green in regulation and most likely leaving the ball well outside 10 or 15 feet and probably closer to 30 feet from the flag on average. Even pros don't make more than half their putts from outside 6 feet so as long as he is not 3 putting then he is actually putting reasonably well.

And good chipping is only half the story when it comes to up and downs. You have to make the putt too, so unless your chipping to 2 feet all the time then you must also putt well to get up and down more often than not.

Couldn't disagree with you more.

It widely reported that the average golf handicap is 18, so logically this is the average golfer.

If we accept this,then a statement stating that " the average ameteur is reaching a green in regulation" must be disregarded as being completely wrong and not even in the same ball park as to the true reflection of how many GIR's the "average golfer" hits.

In fact it does not matter what the average golfer does because we are talking about somebody who is far superior to them.

On your second point, obviously our friend is chipping the ball stone dead every time as he rarely misses. Whereas when he hits a GIR he rarely holes out. Hence my observation that he must be exceptional at chipping and not a very good putter.

By not being a good putter he would still be a much better putter than the "average golfer". But for somebody who is capable of those GIR stats he should be playing to a much lower handicap.

Fore Iron

WH BONNEY wrote: »

Couldn't disagree with you more.

It widely reported that the average golf handicap is 18, so logically this is the average golfer.

If we accept this,then a statement stating that " the average ameteur is reaching a green in regulation" must be disregarded as being completely wrong and not even in the same ball park as to the true reflection of how many GIR's the "average golfer" hits.

In fact it does not matter what the average golfer does because we are talking about somebody who is far superior to them.

On your second point, obviously our friend is chipping the ball stone dead every time as he rarely misses. Whereas when he hits a GIR he rarely holes out. Hence my observation that he must be exceptional at chipping and not a very good putter.

By not being a good putter he would still be a much better putter than the "average golfer". But for somebody who is capable of those GIR stats he should be playing to a much lower handicap.

Sorry Bonney, you've completely missed my point. I was not saying the average gofler reaches greens in regulation. I was saying that if and when they do, they generally leave the ball a long way from the hole. Simply having a high GiR count does not mean you always have makeable birdie opportunities. You could be making fantastic two putts from really awkward places on a difficult green and walk away with a GiR and 2 putts. To assume that this indicates poor putting is not necessarily true.

Likewise with up and downs. As far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing to suggest that our firend is chipping things stone dead. All we know is he is chipping and making the subsequent putt. It could be either chipping to 6 inches and tapping in, or chipping to 5 feet and making the putt.

Stats are never really what they appear. I average 11 or 12 green in regulation per round. But I am sufferring from a birdie drout at the moment because my irons are good enough to hit the green but not good enough to give me any more than 1 or 2 birdies. So just because I hit a GiR doesn't mean my irons are good. And just because I 2 putt alot doesn't mean my putting is poor either.

WH BONNEY

I will state my original observation in a much more encouraging manner.

"IITYWYBMAD If you keep hitting those GIR and up and down stats you wont be playing off 7 for long."

And being pedantic, Fore Iron, I didnt miss your point you just didnt say what you meant to say .

Fore Iron

WH BONNEY wrote: »

I will state my original observation in a much more encouraging manner.

"IITYWYBMAD If you keep hitting those GIR and up and down stats you wont be playing off 7 for long."

And being pedantic, Fore Iron, I didnt miss your point you just didnt say what you meant to say .

I suffer from that affliction rather a lot!!!

BoardsMember

Mister Sifter wrote: »

I keep stats, but i'm not too sure how useful they really are. Golfshot is a pretty cool app, but it tells me very little about my game that i could actually use to improve. It's handy for knowing things like which side of the fairway i miss on, but other than that it's main use if for sharing with mates to see how each other fared in a particular round.

I used Howdidido for a couple of years, but it's stats are very basic. Handy for knowing my stroke average for the year, but not much there i can use to improve my game.

It's been said before that the value of putting stats such as putts per round are debatable... putters per GIR perhaps have a little more value. I guess you'd get more value out of knowing how you fared from certain distances i.e. inside 6 foot, outside 25 foot etc.

For example, i had 26 putts in a round recently, but when i analysed the round in my head afterwards, i felt my putting was what stopped me from scoring better. I holed one putt outside 5ft all day and missed 4 or 5 (out of maybe 7 or 8 putts) inside ten feet. I holed one putt from off the green and chipped to inside 5 feet numerous times. A typical stats package would hide the true story in my opinion.

For me, the best way to analyse your game is to have a good think about it on the way to work or something the next day. I'm able to work out what i need to work on/practice far better that way than i would be from looking at Golfshot. I think most golfers, if they analyse their game in the right way in their minds, will know the weak/strong areas.

My two cents worth...

Spot on. Every round is different, often stats are similar, it's only by reflecting on the individual rounds that you get a good feel of where you are really at.

ProV

This is a pretty good free stat tracker.
http://www.freegolfinfo.com/gametrack3/

Also if your club uses the club2000 software, you can access your club scores at www.howdidido.co.uk
The pie chart section is quite interesting.