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Any Good Fantasy/ Sci fi novels where "evil" reigns...

  • 15-02-2011 1:16am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭


    ...where "good" does not overcome "evil". I wouldn't mind reading a book where darkness prevails ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭AnCapaillMor


    Story about a legendary Irish big cat.

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Surely this would involve massive spoilers if people had to give away the ending of the series? Wouldn't it better to ask about novels set in a bleak setting instead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    The Mission Earth books by L. Ron Hubbard are told from the side of the bad guys/alien invaders. I quite like them, but they are not everyone's cup of tea (there is little to no reference to scientology or any of that crap in them thankfully).
    However, I've only read the first 8, but only in one or two of them would the baddie come out on top.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Offhand, the Drakka(?) series by SM Sterling.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    "The Prince of Nothing" series by R. Scott Bakker.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    SM Stirling's Draka novels (available in an omnibus edition from Baen) are definitley pretty grim.

    I'd also suggest John Whitbourn's 'A Dangerous Energy' and its sequel novels, although they might be hardish to come by. Essentially a 'from rags to ritches' tale set in an olde england alternative England where magic is real and a counter-reformation succeeded. Except the main character is a rapist, murderer and thief who claws his way up through a hierarchy as corrupt as he is.

    I guess you could broaden this and look at the whole genre of dystopian SF. For example, Margaret Atwood's 'The Handmaiden's tale', Stephen King's 'The Running Man' etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 moomoo113


    I'd recommend Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin. The series hasn't ended yet so I don't know if evil will prevail or not but he definitely doesn't shy away from making things go badly for his characters!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Lyanna


    Brandon Sanderson's "Mistborn" series is set in a world where the clichéd prophesised hero defeated a mysterious dark power a thousand years ago and then promptly set himself up as both dictator and god. It's a decent read, with the first book "Mistborn: The Final Empire" being particularly good.

    I'd also recommend "A Game of Thrones" and the rest of the "A Song of Ice and Fire" series even though it doesn't quite fit your requirements. I'm not sure darkness will prevail there, but there's certainly no clear "good" side. It's an excellent series, probably the best fantasy out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Glen Cook's The Black Company series is definately worth checking out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Not sure it's really 'evil' but I can recommend Joe Abercrombie's work!

    The First Law is an epic adventure where one of the main characters is pretty much a possessed killer, and Best served Cold a tale of revenge (by someone hardly an innocent in the first place), with the "hero team" consisting of (among others) a serial killer and a poisoner.

    But don't just take my word for it, here's a recent "review" of Abercrombie's work:

    “Think of a Lord of the Rings where, after stringing you along for thousands of pages, all of the hobbits end up dying of cancer contracted by their proximity to the Ring, Aragorn is revealed to be a buffoonish puppet-king of no honor and false might, and Gandalf no sooner celebrates the defeat of Sauron than he executes a long-held plot to become the new Dark Lord of Middle-earth, and you have some idea of what to expect should you descend into Abercrombie’s jaded literary sewer.”
    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2011/02/12/the-bankrupt-nihilism-of-our-fallen-fantasists/

    :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    ixoy wrote: »
    "The Prince of Nothing" series by R. Scott Bakker.

    + 1 ... The first book in the second trilogy was brilliant also just as dark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    pH wrote: »
    Not sure it's really 'evil' but I can recommend Joe Abercrombie's work!

    The First Law is an epic adventure where one of the main characters is pretty much a possessed killer, and Best served Cold a tale of revenge (by someone hardly an innocent in the first place), with the "hero team" consisting of (among others) a serial killer and a poisoner.

    But don't just take my word for it, here's a recent "review" of Abercrombie's work:

    “Think of a Lord of the Rings where, after stringing you along for thousands of pages, all of the hobbits end up dying of cancer contracted by their proximity to the Ring, Aragorn is revealed to be a buffoonish puppet-king of no honor and false might, and Gandalf no sooner celebrates the defeat of Sauron than he executes a long-held plot to become the new Dark Lord of Middle-earth, and you have some idea of what to expect should you descend into Abercrombie’s jaded literary sewer.”
    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2011/02/12/the-bankrupt-nihilism-of-our-fallen-fantasists/

    :)

    Sounds intersting .. cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,414 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: thoroughly depressing, sounds exactly like what the OP is looking for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Funglegunk


    Don't forget 1984, not as heavy a read as you might think!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭Gearheart


    Or you could try some 40k, some of the chaos orientated books are very good but I have only read the ones concerning the Imperium. This is one chaos book that got very good reviews:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lord-Night-Warhammer-000-Novels/dp/1844161579


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Colmhayden76


    have that 40k book it's ok but for evil hammering good check out the horus heresy series.
    The first 4 books up to fulgrim are really good the next few not as much.
    Stephen Erikson's gardens of the moons series IMO don't have good and bad heros they are just many shades of grey:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭..Brian..


    Way of the Pilgrim by Gordon R. Dickson


    Shane, a gifted linguist, has spent his life learning the language of the old and powerful alien race that has conquered Earth. He has learned it so well that the interstellar masters, old hands at enslaving planets, regard him as a valuable servant.

    But Shane has a secret. One day, in a rebellious moment, he invented The Pilgrim: a mysterious figure who incites rebellion and vanishes unseen, leaving a distinctive icon behind him.

    Now the human underground is preparing to rebel. Shane knows how hopeless their rebellion will be. He knows, as well, that he will be unable to keep himself from taking part.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Kadongy


    Lots of Philip K Dick books are pretty dark and I think some have evil winning out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭L


    China Mieville tends to write excellent (but bleak) fantasy. Try Perdido Street Station - it's not so much evil wins as ... well, you'll see. ;)


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