FG voters

zig

Just a couple of questions.
Why are you voting FG?
Could you point out significant differences between FG and FF?
Where do you stand on the IMF/EU bailout and what difference do you think FG can make compare to what FF could do regarding this?
Are you happy with Enda Kenny being the leader of our country?

Just genuinely curious, no wind ups here.

meglome

Let's see now...

They haven't destroyed the country.
They aren't running around telling people what they want to hear.
They have economic policies that make sense.
There's the only party would can get enough seats to actually do what's needed.

Whoever gets in is going to have to have some very difficult talks with the IMF.

Enda Kenny may not be mister charisma but he's 50 steps better than the bunch of fúcking shysters we've just had.

liammur

zig wrote: »

Just a couple of questions.
Why are you voting FG?
Could you point out significant differences between FG and FF?
Where do you stand on the IMF/EU bailout and what difference do you think FG can make compare to what FF could do regarding this?
Are you happy with Enda Kenny being the leader of our country?

Just genuinely curious, no wind ups here.

Cronyism,,,,bankers,,,developers,,,,huge ministerial payouts,,,incompetence.

Maybe change from the above is no bad thing.

phantom_lord

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://finegael2011.com/valentine.asp

Xon

phantom_lord wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://finegael2011.com/valentine.asp

oh god...

dsmythy

Labour are red, Fine Gael are blue, we won't increase your taxes like they want to do. Hilarious.

irishh_bob

zig wrote: »

Just a couple of questions.
Why are you voting FG?
Could you point out significant differences between FG and FF?
Where do you stand on the IMF/EU bailout and what difference do you think FG can make compare to what FF could do regarding this?
Are you happy with Enda Kenny being the leader of our country?

Just genuinely curious, no wind ups here.

1 . i couldnt in conscience vote for FF after what theyve done to the country and since FG are the only non left wing alternative , its simply a case of process of elimination

2. FG are a centre right party where as FF are a populist party with no idealogy who veer left or right depending on which way the wind ( public opinion ) is blowing

3. on the bailout , this is where i find FG the most uninspiring , FG have always been the most pro europe of any party and as such seem reluctant to get into a scrap with europe , thier too damn polite for what needs to be done , id be closer to sinn fein on the issue of the banks - bailout that to FG

4. no , im not happy with enda as leader , the man is a wally and hes the sole reason why FG are not heading for a comfortable overall majority , he is the reason why deseted FF voters and swing voters hesitate to vote FG , labour offer little to the hundreds of thousands of private sector voters who have lost their job since the bust and FG should be theese peoples obvious choice but its not because of the man from mayo , i dont buy the arguement that he rescued the party in 2002 , everything that could go wrong , did go wrong for them on that wet thursday in may 2002 , the economy was booming at the time , peace in the north had been achieved since 1997 and the both indepdendant and PD,s won every single toss of a coin seat with FG in that election , the party was always going to come back strong in 2007 , keeping labour out of the next goverment is very important to me and enda kenny is the reason why labour will most likely form a major part of the next goverment

Chucky the tree

zig wrote: »

Just a couple of questions.
Why are you voting FG?

Because I feel they are the best party to get us out of this mess with their policies. Labour are to linked to the Unions who are one of the reasons we are in this mess. SF are just clueless when it comes to the economy.

zig wrote: »

Could you point out significant differences between FG and FF?

Fine Gael are a center right party while Fianna Fail are a "whatever will get us votes party" so there is huge differences. Reform of the public sector is the main one for me, it needs to be done and FF have shown time and again they don't have balls to do it.

zig wrote: »

Where do you stand on the IMF/EU bailout and what difference do you think FG can make compare to what FF could do regarding this?

It needs to be negotiated. I think FG have an excellent chance of achieving this. FG are similar to Merkels party which will be a big advantage.

zig wrote: »

Are you happy with Enda Kenny being the leader of our country?

Yea, I'd be happier with Richard though but I think Enda is fine. People put far to much emphasis on party leaders imo.

later12

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Fine Gael are a center right party while Fianna Fail are a "whatever will get us votes party"

You mean, give the people what the people want?

What a simply horrid idea indeed.

Chucky the tree

later10 wrote: »

You mean, give the people what the people want?

What a simply horrid idea indeed.

It's not a horrid idea, but it's not the way to successfully run a country either as Fianna Fail have demonstrated in a flawless fashion.

later12

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's not a horrid idea, but it's not the way to successfully run a country either

Whether it is a good way to run the country or not is not what I'm talking about really, it's unquestionably more democratic to respond to the wishes of the people i.e. to give them what they want. We have a situation where the Swiss can vote on issues like 30kph speed restrictions by text vote, and somehow the Irish electorate appear to be wondering whether or not it is a good idea to give the people what they want to begin with.

You couldn't make it up.

There's nothing wrong with giving the people what they want. One just has to hope, and to trust, that the people will prove themselves competent.

Chucky the tree

later10 wrote: »

Whether it is a good way to run the country or not is not what I'm talking about really, it's unquestionably more democratic to respond to the wishes of the people i.e. to give them what they want. We have a situation where the Swiss can vote on issues like 30kph speed restrictions by text vote, and somehow the Irish electorate appear to be wondering whether or not it is a good idea to give the people what they want to begin with.

You couldn't make it up.

There's nothing wrong with giving the people what they want. One just has to hope, and to trust, that the people will prove themselves competent.

When did I say it wasn't more democratic? The thread is about reasons for voting for FG. I think they'll do a better job then Fianna fail running the country and that's why I'd vote for them ahead of FF.

ei.sdraob

later10 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with giving the people what they want.

The state has to be able to afford what the people want, and since the state raises its money from the people, the people need to afford what they want...

Fixed your post

Amtmann

later10 wrote: »

it's unquestionably more democratic to respond to the wishes of the people i.e. to give them what they want.

The problem is, in general 'the people' are not monolithic. Instead they are a collection of various sectional and vested interests. Bertie flung money at 'the people' for 11 years and look where that got us.

telekon

phantom_lord wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://finegael2011.com/valentine.asp

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that... :eek:



Cringe-tastic!!

takun

phantom_lord wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://finegael2011.com/valentine.asp

That is........







Actually, there are no words.

Pete_Cavan

I will be voting FG for the following reasons;

1. They are being honest and are serious about cutting our grossly over staff yet under performing public service, everyone else knows big cuts will have to be made but wont admit it before the election
2. NewEra, they want to spend money on infrastructure that will actually create jobs, not stimulus packages which only create short term jobs that rely 100% on state funding to sustain them (state funding that cant last)
3. FreeCare, the HSE is a blackhole and despite the huge sums of money we throw at it we still extremely long waiting lists. No amount of reform can fix the HSE, it needs to be done away with and start afresh
4. They favour cuts over taxes, more taxes will only increase the cost of doing business here which will cost us more jobs
5. Noonan, Bruton, Reilly, Coveney, Varadkar, they have a number of people who know what they are talking about in their own area. Enda may not be the most impressive Taoiseach but he will have the best ministers backing him up

later12

ei.sdraob wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with giving the people what they want. If what they as a collective entitity want makes them go bust, then perhaps they should adapt a new apporach. But they should be given the approach that they want regardless. That is democracy.

Fixed your post.

Sheeps

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Labour are to linked to the Unions who are one of the reasons we are in this mess.

Ummmm, explain to me how the unions are one of the reasons that we're in this mess?

later12

Sheeps wrote: »

Ummmm, explain to me how the unions are one of the reasons that we're in this mess?

Wage inflation leading to a less competitive workforce with higher labour costs as well as the contribution of such wage inflation to the national debt and public spending. It also had a significant effect on goods and house prices and the generation of a property bubble.

Rabidlamb

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

They are being honest and are serious about cutting our grossly over staff yet under performing public service, everyone else knows big cuts will have to be made but wont admit it before the election

There's the reason right there, they are the only ones to take on the elephant in the room.
They will enforce the CPA & not wither on welched union promises like FF for the past 10 years.
If the PS unions wont play ball they'll take them on & have said so.
Currently €18 billion in PS pay & the total budget for the country needs to be brought back to €33 billion inside 4 years.
If left alone there will be nothing left after interest payments are met.

wee truck big driver

meglome wrote: »

Let's see now...

They haven't destroyed the country.
They aren't running around telling people what they want to hear.
They have economic policies that make sense.
There's the only party would can get enough seats to actually do what's needed.

Whoever gets in is going to have to have some very difficult talks with the IMF.

Enda Kenny may not be mister charisma but he's 50 steps better than the bunch of fúcking shysters we've just had.

1) they werent in a position to destroy the country but havent been known to call for any cuts until it was too late
2)we will renegotiate the imf bailout (hillarious) we will help you with your mortage(only slightly amusing) we will create 20000 jobs (really where)
3) we will sack 30,000 public servants (really how much will that cost and or they going to take up the imaginary 20000 jobs so we have an extra 10000 claiming the dole
4) if all the people who voted fianna fail have a labotomy and vote fine gael they might have a majority
5) enda kenny is about the only thing about fine gael thats good and he wont last another year

Zubeneschamali

I will vote FG because I agree with their general policy direction, somewhat right of centre.

The significant difference between FF and FG is that FF stand for nothing but using power to enrich their friends.

I really don't care what FF say they can do with the EU/IMF bailout - FF are the reason we needed it. They crashed the country into a ditch, I'm not going to trust them to drive it away.

Enda Kenny will be OK as Taoiseach. Policies are more important than personalities, once elected.

meglome

wee truck big driver wrote: »

1) they werent in a position to destroy the country but havent been known to call for any cuts until it was too late
2)we will renegotiate the imf bailout (hillarious) we will help you with your mortage(only slightly amusing) we will create 20000 jobs (really where)
3) we will sack 30,000 public servants (really how much will that cost and or they going to take up the imaginary 20000 jobs so we have an extra 10000 claiming the dole
4) if all the people who voted fianna fail have a labotomy and vote fine gael they might have a majority
5) enda kenny is about the only thing about fine gael thats good and he wont last another year

1. So they didn't destroy the country, then blindly ignore the problem. Good we agree.
2. Whomever gets in will likely have no choice but to renegotiate and the IMF/ECB will likely play ball to some degree since we owe so much.
3. Of course it's gonna cost but what is the choice. Better short-term pain. They are investing in jobs but again what are the choices after the shíte we've been dropped in.
4. The opinion polls would suggest they are close to a majority and I hope they get it.
5. I thought their polices were in the main very good, has someone got a better option as I've obviously missed it.

tails_naf

zig wrote: »

Just a couple of questions.
Why are you voting FG?
Could you point out significant differences between FG and FF?
Where do you stand on the IMF/EU bailout and what difference do you think FG can make compare to what FF could do regarding this?
Are you happy with Enda Kenny being the leader of our country?

Just genuinely curious, no wind ups here.

Simples.

Policies like -
1) 10% cut in PS, but not front line. Badly needs to be done, and 10% increase in efficiency with no loss in services is definitely do-able
2) Total change of health-care to follow the Dutch system that is classed as the best in the world.
3) Kenny is honest. Everyone moans about how corrupt politicans are, but when an honest one presents himself people say 'but he's not charismatic'. Bertie was charismatic. If I had a choice between the two... (and I do!)
4) Not going to increase taxes
5) Not going to touch corporation tax (unlike SF..)
...

How many reasons do you need? Also, 1,2,3,4 are all DIFFERENT from FF..