How much was I ripped off by?

Bassboxxx

Hi,

Just to make sure before I go back to this lad I want to make sure. My mother got a new key cut for her Punto. The chip was transferred from old key to new key. She was charged 50euro for this.

Now I know I've not much come back as he didn't technically do anything wrong but I have to make a complaint to them.

So again how much was I ripped off by?:mad:

Kristopherus

Nil. You get nothing for nothing.

mickdw

Price a new key at a fiat dealer and judge the price from there. I wouldnt expect to get it any cheaper to be honest.
Was there any coding to do on the key? You say chip was swapped over but sometimes there is coding also.
It certainly isnt a rip off price anyway. Dont make a tit of yourself by going back to complain about this service.

Bruthal

I broke a key in the door lock of car and got a spare for just opening doors and a chipped one for starting it from a locksmith shop. The non chipped key was €6 and the chip`d one was also like yours OP,,€50, so nothing unusual with that price. I would say if you got it from the main dealer like mickdw said, you will pay a bit more than that.

MarkR

So basically she bought a housing and got the blank blade on it cut. How much are the blanks?

Bassboxxx

MarkR wrote: »

So basically she bought a housing and got the blank blade on it cut. How much are the blanks?

That's exactly what happened.....

Quick check on ebay turns up 2 blanks for less than 10 euro.

There was no recoding done and the key didn't break in lock .

Gonna check with dealer on monday.

shamwari

Main dealer price on Punto keys is between €130 & €180. OP, your mam got away lightly for €50, seen as key requires vehicle pass and taking the car to the dealer to code it, whereas the locksmith took care of everything there and then.

All's well that ends well so

jaffa20

Bassboxxx wrote: »

So again how much was I ripped off by?:mad:

Nothing.

Your mother paid what she wanted.

Solnskaya

You were ripped off completely!!!! Those keys can be bought from Fiat for less than €60 - that guy must have seen you coming. You should complain to someone, somthing has to be done to stop this kind of thing, it could happen to someone else. Profiteering swine. I bet he got his key cutting machine for less than €3k as well - money for nothing. Its well known that the key-cutters are a money making bunch of rip off merchants - sure havn't they bankrupted the country with their profiteering.

Bassboxxx

shamwari wrote: »

Main dealer price on Punto keys is between €130 & €180. OP, your mam got away lightly for €50, seen as key requires vehicle pass and taking the car to the dealer to code it, whereas the locksmith took care of everything there and then.

All's well that ends well so

Read my post.



Solnskaya if you wanna be a gob****e a pay whatever is being charged without question go ahead but keep your smart arse comments to yourself.

Solnskaya

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Read my post.



Solnskaya if you wanna be a gob****e a pay whatever is being charged without question go ahead but keep your smart arse comments to yourself.

I though you said "how much was I ripped off by?", not "how much am I going to be ripped off by?" Did you not pay him????

taintabird

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Hi,

Just to make sure before I go back to this lad I want to make sure. My mother got a new key cut for her Punto. The chip was transferred from old key to new key. She was charged 50euro for this.

Now I know I've not much come back as he didn't technically do anything wrong but I have to make a complaint to them.

So again how much was I ripped off by?:mad:

Another one that wants everything for nothing !! no you weren't ripped off in fact it was quite reasonable good God if you had to go to the dealer to get that done you need to still have the master key supplied with the car when it was new which i doubt you have, in which case the dealer will order a new one from fiat plus cut you a new key and then code the key to the ecu, you would be lucky to be out for a couple hundred Euro and you have the neck to complain about paying €50. The mind boggles you should go onto thr fitting tyres its a joke tread there's lots of like minded people over there you'd like it

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Joe Duffy,first thing Monday

ottostreet

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Read my post.



Solnskaya if you wanna be a gob****e a pay whatever is being charged without question go ahead but keep your smart arse comments to yourself.

You are the one who is coming across like a gob****e.

50 quid is a perfectly reasonable price IMO. I paid 6 times that for a key for a jap import that wasnt even chipped.

taintabird

ottostreet wrote: »

You are the one who is coming across like a gob****e.

50 quid is a perfectly reasonable price IMO. I paid 6 times that for a key for a jap import that wasnt even chipped.

Well said !

Ev84

ottostreet wrote: »

You are the one who is coming across like a gob****e.

50 quid is a perfectly reasonable price IMO. I paid 6 times that for a key for a jap import that wasnt even chipped.

Holy s**t man, 300 euro for a key? what kind of car was it bud?

OP, what work went into swapping over the chip? Was it soldered in or just clipped in or what? you said no coding had to be done. if the chip just clips in you would think it might have been a bit cheaper. If it needed coding and soldering i think 50 is ok...

alexmcred

Again this is a case of not comparing like with like let's break this down: two blank keys from eBay €10 plus postage, op going at said blanks with hacksaw to cut them €3 (for the blade) op op breaking apart original key to get chip out €0 so total eBay cost is €8 plus key shipping (since the 10 was for two).

Now here's the tricky part does the eBay key work?

Op your mother got a product and service that she paid for. You can't compare an eBay price unless you comparing like with like who's going to cut the eBay blanks and transfer the chip?

taintabird

Ev84 wrote: »

Holy s**t man, 300 euro for a key? what kind of car was it bud?

OP, what work went into swapping over the chip? Was it soldered in or just clipped in or what? you said no coding had to be done. if the chip just clips in you would think it might have been a bit cheaper. If it needed coding and soldering i think 50 is ok...

I would imagine that the lock smith would have read the data on the chip in the old key and transferred it to the chip in the new key, this requires the use of specialist equipment and also don't forget about having to use the cutting machine as well. €50 is a good price imho.

JOSman

Should have been the same price or very close to the cost of a house key. He just cut from a blank. €50 was too much for this work.

taintabird

JOSman wrote: »

Should have been the same price or very close to the cost of a house key. He just cut from a blank. €50 was too much for this work.

does your house key have a chip in it ? don't talk b*****x

smcgiff

Can only go on my own experience.

Needed a new blade for the wife's pug 206 fob. Main dealer said I'd be quicker taking it into the city. He gave me the name of a key cutter in Cork city (off Washington street if memory serves) - I dropped it in, came back in half an hour and twas done for €20. This was about 18 months back.

taintabird

smcgiff wrote: »

Can only go on my own experience.

Needed a new blade for the wife's pug 206 fob. Main dealer said I'd be quicker taking it into the city. He gave me the name of a key cutter in Cork city (off Washington street if memory serves) - I dropped it in, came back in half an hour and twas done for €20. This was about 18 months back.

Was that just just for the blade fitted to your old fob?

smcgiff

taintabird wrote: »

Was that just just for the blade fitted to your old fob?

Yip - just new blade added to old fob.

EPM

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Read my post.



Solnskaya if you wanna be a gob****e a pay whatever is being charged without question go ahead but keep your smart arse comments to yourself.

taintabird wrote: »

does your house key have a chip in it ? don't talk b*****x

Tone it down a bit please.

Bruthal

Bassboxxx wrote: »

That's exactly what happened.....

Quick check on ebay turns up 2 blanks for less than 10 euro.

There was no recoding done and the key didn't break in lock .

Gonna check with dealer on monday.

If it was just a blank cut then it was €6 for that when i got it done. And it was €50 for a second key he did where he recoded a new chip on it from the old one. I could of just put the head off the old key onto the same keyring as the new blank cut i got and it would of worked that way.

But if i just went and got a plain blank cut it was €6

taintabird

robbie7730 wrote: »

If it was just a blank cut then it was €6 for that when i got it done. And it was €50 for a second key he did where he recoded a new chip on it from the old one. I could of just put the head off the old key onto the same keyring as the new blank cut i got and it would of worked that way.

But if i just went and got a plain blank cut it was €6

€6 would be the going rate for a plain blank key all right, as for hanging the head of the old key on the same key ring it might work for some cars but not for all, for instance rover/mg had yhe chip in a separate fob and the key was just a plain key.

biko

New key with old chip for 50 seems much but then again, your mum paid it.
It was 50 for the GFs Micra too.

The Muppet

sounds reasonable enough to me too. Changing the chip over is a delicate enough task as they are easy to break. It would have taken 10 or 15 minutes to do the job so considering materials and time €50 while it wouldn't be a bargain doesn't sound like a rip off to me either.

Hellrazer

Op have you ever tried to take the chip out of an old key and transfer it to a new blade like whats happened here.

Ive done it with Hyundai and Mitsubishi blades and its a nightmare.

If you dont know where to cut the old plastic housing on the old key you`ll end up with a key that work at all and can even snap the chip in two if you dont know what youre doing.

I know the blades youre talking about on ebay--Used to use them all the time.They have like a pull out tray where you put the chip that you take out of the old key.

Heres the difference--50 quid for someone to take the old key apart-knowing exactly wher to cut the old key and change the chip over or get a new key cut and coded from a main dealer or even a locksmith assuming he has the equipment will cost you probably 100-150 upwards.

Your mother got a good deal @ 50 euros.

Mr Benevolent

OP you're making noise over nothing, frankly. They could easily have charged a lot more and your mother would've still paid it. Can't imagine any main dealer doing it cheaper.

ottostreet

Ev84 wrote: »

Holy s**t man, 300 euro for a key? what kind of car was it bud?

FTO GPX, Jap import and Mitsubishi and locksmiths couldnt help me.

Admittedly, the 300 was for a key, and to bypass the immobiliser/alarm.

Ev84

taintabird wrote: »

I would imagine that the lock smith would have read the data on the chip in the old key and transferred it to the chip in the new key

yeah i suppose that would make more sense than physically changing over the old chip like i said in my earlier post... sorry op, I have no first-hand experience to compare prices with you. All the keys i got cut had no chips... or burgers:D

ottostreet wrote: »

FTO GPX, Jap import and Mitsubishi and locksmiths couldnt help me.

Wow nice car bud...love FTO's... Used to drive a Jap 93' Celica GT4 before i had 2 kids. Had to sell it obviously (In my adverts,SOLD!) but i miss those days

shamwari

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Read my post.

I did, and you clearly didn't read mine. I don't think your mam was ripped off. And so do most folk here too.

Gumbo

cant wait for the OP to post back here tomorrow after ringing Fiat themselves......... but my guess is that he will realise that his mother got a good deal and wont post that back up tomorrow.

taintabird

So op how did you get on with a price from fiat for the key job ?

mickdw

Must have realised she wasnt ripped off at all.

taintabird

mickdw wrote: »

Must have realised she wasnt ripped off at all.

yes indeedy

-Corkie-

mickdw wrote: »

Must have realised she wasnt ripped off at all.

I know 50 euro was very reasonable.

smokie2008

ottostreet wrote: »

You are the one who is coming across like a gob****e.

50 quid is a perfectly reasonable price IMO. I paid 6 times that for a key for a jap import that wasnt even chipped.

ottostreet wrote: »

FTO GPX, Jap import and Mitsubishi and locksmiths couldnt help me.

Admittedly, the 300 was for a key, and to bypass the immobiliser/alarm.

:rolleyes:

ltdslipdiff

Anyone replaced a Megane keycard lately ha ha ha?:D

Bassboxxx

ottostreet wrote: »

You are the one who is coming across like a gob****e.

50 quid is a perfectly reasonable price IMO. I paid 6 times that for a key for a jap import that wasnt even chipped.

ottostreet wrote: »

FTO GPX, Jap import and Mitsubishi and locksmiths couldnt help me.

Admittedly, the 300 was for a key, and to bypass the immobiliser/alarm.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. If you had enough knowledge of these things you know that bypassing immobiliser/alarm is by far the bigger part of that job.

There's a lot of if my auntie had balls arguments here. It DIDN'T need recoding, it DIDN'T need a master key, it DIDN'T need any intervention by a main dealer, it DIDN'T need a new chip.

It was a simple key cut and transfer of chip, and what i though was a simple question but people seem to determined to defend their right to be over charged.

I haven't been on to dealer yet but I will.

Thanks to everyone who got the question and answered sensibly.;)

smokie2008

Bassboxxx wrote: »

That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. If you had enough knowledge of these things you know that bypassing immobiliser/alarm is by far the bigger part of that job.

There's a lot of if my auntie had balls arguments here. It DIDN'T need recoding, it DIDN'T need a master key, it DIDN'T need any intervention by a main dealer, it DIDN'T need a new chip.

It was a simple key cut and transfer of chip, and what i though was a simple question but people seem to determined to defend their right to be over charged.

I haven't been on to dealer yet but I will.

Thanks to everyone who got the question and answered sensibly.;)

If thats the case then it WAS expensive, I don't care what anyone says

Bassboxxx

JOSman wrote: »

Should have been the same price or very close to the cost of a house key. He just cut from a blank. €50 was too much for this work.

Bang on JOSman, I'm getting the feeling people think this chip transfer is like a liver transplant!!!:D

mickdw

Bassboxxx wrote: »

That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. If you had enough knowledge of these things you know that bypassing immobiliser/alarm is by far the bigger part of that job.

There's a lot of if my auntie had balls arguments here. It DIDN'T need recoding, it DIDN'T need a master key, it DIDN'T need any intervention by a main dealer, it DIDN'T need a new chip.

It was a simple key cut and transfer of chip, and what i though was a simple question but people seem to determined to defend their right to be over charged.

I haven't been on to dealer yet but I will.

Thanks to everyone who got the question and answered sensibly.;)

The dealer would need red key, then charge for new key and full recoding. It would be significantly more than €50.

Also, the key guy had to swap over the chip. Fair enough, it doesnt take long however, in doing that task he is taking responsibility for the task. What if he damaged the chip? Do you think ANYONE will touch your key if there is even a slight possibility of damaging it for €6? The equipment required for the complete key cutting/coding operation is far superior to that required by a guy cutting house keys and therefore must be paid for.
€50 for the service received was reasonable and to be honest the tone of the original post was that of arrogance. You came here, not asking 'was she over charged', instead you wanted to know how much you were overcharged by. You were so sure of yourself yet you are pretty slow to call Fiat for their price as you no doubt now realise that it will be much more expensive.
Additionally if you couldnt produce the master key for the dealer, you could be into silly money to get a new key. The people who did the key for you provided a very useful service, you simply dont realise this.

taintabird

mickdw wrote: »

The dealer would need red key, then charge for new key and full recoding. It would be significantly more than €50.

Also, the key guy had to swap over the chip. Fair enough, it doesnt take long however, in doing that task he is taking responsibility for the task. What if he damaged the chip? Do you think ANYONE will touch your key if there is even a slight possibility of damaging it for €6? The equipment required for the complete key cutting/coding operation is far superior to that required by a guy cutting house keys and therefore must be paid for.
€50 for the service received was reasonable and to be honest the tone of the original post was that of arrogance. You came here, not asking 'was she over charged', instead you wanted to know how much you were overcharged by. You were so sure of yourself yet you are pretty slow to call Fiat for their price as you no doubt now realise that it will be much more expensive.
Additionally if you couldnt produce the master key for the dealer, you could be into silly money to get a new key. The people who did the key for you provided a very useful service, you simply dont realise this.

Precisely , this is same attitude as the guys wanting the tyres purchased on the net fitted for a tenner a corner, I wonder if the boot was on the other foot and it was them providing the service while trying to make a living would the be so cheap ?

Gumbo

smokie2008 wrote: »

If thats the case then it WAS expensive, I don't care what anyone says

No she wasn't, 50e is a very good price for a new key and chip transferred.

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Bang on JOSman, I'm getting the feeling people think this chip transfer is like a liver transplant!!!:D

Nah we just know when a decent job requires a decent fee. I wonder why you didn't ring fiat.........because you know for a fact it would be a lot more there and that's the reason why you/she didn't go to fiat in the first place.

Edit - judging by posts on www.fiatforum.com a new punto key is approx 140stg over there.

-Chris-

Bassboxxx, I'm closing this thread until you call Fiat. To continue this discussion without the full information is pointless.

I'll reopen it when you PM me.