How do transfers work?

brian ireland

Can someone explain how transfers work. Can you get transfers from another party or are they only from your own. Can you get them from another candidate who is not in your party (or if independent).
I being hearing the phrase for years but never really knew how it worked.

Dob74

brian ireland wrote: »

Can someone explain how transfers work. Can you get transfers from another party or are they only from your own. Can you get them from another candidate who is not in your party (or if independent).
I being hearing the phrase for years but never really knew how it worked.

All votes can be transfered to any other candidate once only.
If you vote for a candidate and they are eliminated your vote is transfered to your next perferance no matter what the party.

In a 3 seat con you need 25%(4/100%) of the vote to win a seat.
A 4 seat 20%(5/100%)
A 5 seat 16.7%(6/100%)

The candidates with the lowest number of votes is eliminated. Also any surplus is disturbuted pro rata.
As the candidates get elected ther surplus is disturbuted.
This is where random luck comes in, the votes are mixed by hand so there can be diffferent results. One reason they could not get voting machines perfected.

davetherave

http://stv.humancube.com/
This has a decent step-by-step guide that will walk you through how transfers, and eliminations work. It'll let you fill out ballot cards with two different parties and an independent in different ways to see how it works out.

Benbecul97

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/proportional_representation.html


Information

In Ireland, the system of voting in all Dáil elections, Seanad elections, Presidential elections, European elections and local elections is proportional representation with a single transferable vote in multi-seat constituencies (3-, 4- and 5-seat constituencies at Dáil elections).
Proportional representation means that as a voter, you can indicate your first and subsequent choices for the candidates on the ballot paper.
The names of the candidates will appear in alphabetical order on the ballot paper, together with their photographs and their party emblem (if they wish).

Rules

Voting by proportional representation
You indicate your first choice by writing 1 opposite your first choice and 2 opposite your second choice, 3 opposite your third choice and so on. You may stop marking your paper after 1 or any subsequent preference or you may go right down the ballot paper until a preference has been given to all candidates ending with the candidate of your lowest choice.
When you vote like this, you are instructing the Returning Officer to transfer your vote to the second choice candidate if your first choice is either elected with a surplus of votes over the quota or is eliminated. If your second choice is elected or eliminated, your vote may be transferred to your third choice and so on.

Counting the votes
When polling is over, all the ballot boxes are taken to a central counting place for each constituency. The count starts at 9am on the day after polling day. The ballot papers are then sorted into piles of ballot papers for each candidate.
The ballot papers are mixed, counted and sorted and spoiled papers are rejected. A paper is spoiled if it does not have an official stamp, if it does not indicate a clear choice, for example, if you have indicated two No. 1's on the paper, or if anything is written on the ballot paper by which the voter can be identified. The Total Valid Poll therefore, is the total number of votes minus the number of spoiled papers.

The quota
When the papers have been counted and sorted, the quota is calculated by dividing the Total Valid Poll by one more than the number of seats to be filled, ignoring any remainder and then adding 1 vote. For example, in a Dáil election in a 4-seat constituency with 50,000 votes cast, 50,000 divided by 4 plus 1 (i.e., 5) = 10,000; 10,000 plus 1 is 10,001. This is the quota of votes to be reached by the candidates and it means that only 4 persons can be elected.

Surplus votes
If a candidate receives more than the quota on any count, the surplus votes are transferred to the remaining candidates in proportion to the next available preferences indicated by voters (i.e., the next preference on each vote for a candidate who has not been elected or eliminated). For example, if candidate A receives 900 votes more than the quota on the first count and on examining all of his or her votes, it is found that 30% of these have next available preferences for candidate B, then candidate B does not get 30% of all candidate A's votes, candidate B gets 30% of his/her surplus, i.e., 270 votes (30% of 900).
Where a candidate is elected at the second or at later count, only the votes that brought him/her over the quota are examined in the surplus distribution, i.e., the parcel of votes last transferred to the elected candidate.
If two or more candidates exceed the quota at the same time, the larger surplus is distributed first. The distribution of a surplus is prohibited if it cannot materially affect the progress of the count, either by electing a candidate or saving the lowest candidate from elimination.
Where there is no surplus for distribution or the distribution of the surplus is prohibited, the next step is the elimination of the lowest candidate. Two or more of the lowest candidates must be excluded together where it is clear that they cannot possibly be saved from elimination in the long run. Where a candidate is eliminated, all of his/her votes are transferred to the next available preferences on them.
Counting continues until all the seats have been filled. The last seat can be filled either by a candidate(s) exceeding the quota or by a candidate(s) being elected without reaching the quota because it is clear that he/she is ultimately going to be elected. Thus, if the number of seats left to be filled is just one less than the number of candidates still in the running and an available surplus cannot bring the lowest candidate level with or above the second lowest candidate, all the candidates, except the one with the lowest number of votes, are deemed elected even though none of them have actually reached the quota.

Recouping election expenses
Candidates at most elections qualify for recoupment of their election expenses (up to a maximum of €8,700 at a Dáil election), provided the number of votes they receive at the count exceeds one-quarter of the quota. There are extra count rules that are designed to give candidates every chance of reaching this vote threshold. The threshold is calculated differently at a by-election so that the minimum number of votes required to qualify for recoupment of elections expenses at a general election and at a by-election in the same constituency is broadly comparable.

Recounts
Candidates can ask for a recount of a particular count or of the entire count. A recount of a particular count involves examining all papers relevant to that count and moving papers to correct any errors. A complete recount generally occurs only towards the end of the entire count and involves checking all the votes as they stand (without moving any of them) to ensure that each is credited to the correct candidate and that each parcel of papers contains the correct number of papers. Any errors are noted and when the checking is completed, the cumulative effect of all the errors is analysed. The returning officer confirms the results already announced unless a significant error (i.e., one likely to result in a different candidate being elected or excluded) is uncovered, in which case the votes are counted afresh at the point from which the error occurred.
When the count is completed, the Returning Officer declares the results of the election.

brian ireland

davetherave wrote: »

http://stv.humancube.com/
This has a decent step-by-step guide that will walk you through how transfers, and eliminations work. It'll let you fill out ballot cards with two different parties and an independent in different ways to see how it works out.

Great site thanks vey much.
Now!! if someone can explain the offside rule