Iron, Red dots and Scopes

MonkeyGuy

So I've been experimenting with iron sights, red dot sights and scopes and I'd just like to know what everyone's opinions are on sights for airsofting.

TNTQ

Personally I prefer to use this one (panoramic reflex sight)



or this one (RD 3000 AimPoint):



My idea is might seam complicated, but is very simple, have many witnesses



You know BB travel path will depend on Hop Up settings. Also longer the barrel more flat will be that curve. I'm using Sight as a secondary aiming device.

At every target which is between me and A., I will be aiming simply "down the barrel". Usually it's still close and and trajectory is flat. At targets which are around B. (note it's after BB start to drop, but still in around the same level. I will use Red Dot which is calibrated at that distance.

MonkeyGuy

TNTQ wrote: »

You know BB travel path will depend on Hop Up settings. Also longer the barrel more flat will be that curve. I'm using Sight as a secondary aiming device.

At every target which is between me and A., I will be aiming simply "down the barrel". Usually it's still close and and trajectory is flat. At targets which are around B. (note it's after BB start to drop, but still in around the same level. I will use Red Dot which is calibrated at that distance.

Woah I've never thought about it that much before! I normally go about thirty meters, zero it and then get used to aiming up or down depending on different distances. Can I ask what sort of gun you use and do you shoot lots or semi auto/bursts?

Arkslippy

TNTQ wrote: »

Personally I prefer to use this one (panoramic reflex sight)



or this one (RD 3000 AimPoint):



My idea is might seam complicated, but is very simple, have many witnesses



You know BB travel path will depend on Hop Up settings. Also longer the barrel more flat will be that curve. I'm using Sight as a secondary aiming device.

At every target which is between me and A., I will be aiming simply "down the barrel". Usually it's still close and and trajectory is flat. At targets which are around B. (note it's after BB start to drop, but still in around the same level. I will use Red Dot which is calibrated at that distance.

What do you recommend to replace glass in a red dot. Dave put bbs through mine and I need to work something out.

That is the big issue with sights, in cbq they will get shattered. Players can't hit a mansize Target but they can hit your 2" sight.

tonyj_mc

there is a couple of diffrent shield (for want of a better word) for your scopes, there used to be a small piece of plastic that would attach to RIS rail in front of your scope but can't find it at the min...


http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/element-holosight-lens-protector-for-551-552-dot-scope.html
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http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/gandp-killflash-for-30mm-red-dot-sight.html
then there is flashkill for the more standard red dot / scopes, should give you a little bit more protection


better to loose a 5-10 dollar plastic piece than a 50-100 dollar scope, saying that don't realy play as much CQB so don't bother with them anymore

TNTQ

Arkslippy wrote: »

What do you recommend to replace glass in a red dot. Dave put bbs through mine and I need to work something out.

That is the big issue with sights, in cbq they will get shattered. Players can't hit a mansize Target but they can hit your 2" sight.

What scope is that?

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Woah I've never thought about it that much before! I normally go about thirty meters, zero it and then get used to aiming up or down depending on different distances. Can I ask what sort of gun you use and do you shoot lots or semi auto/bursts?

Can't really say what I'm using. I don't really care what I'm using to be honest. As long barrel is not longer than 250mm and don't have bulky awkward magazines. You are talking in lines of MP5A4/A5, Short M4 Variants. Thinking of having go with FN2010 tomorrow. Using Semi 9 times out of 10. Some times 10-15 shot bursts. Full Auto almost never.

MonkeyGuy

I'm trying to see is there a link between the amount people shoot and the type of sights they like using. Also does anyone like using ACOGs?

evilrobotshane

I use an ACOG with a Docter sight piggy-backing on top. I love it, it's a great combo.

MonkeyGuy

Doctor sight piggy backing??

evilrobotshane

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Doctor sight piggy backing??

Docter. Thus:

tonyj_mc

I normally use an eotech with a flip to side 3x magnifier, handy enough combo for outdoor sites just really use it for scouting ahead

Firekitten

I've never had a scope shatter in 6 years of play... i know it happens, but i'm apparently horrifically lucky.

Airsoft is a funny sport with sights... To be honest, at our maximum engagement range, you should be grand with irons, or a red dot. Infact red dots are DESIGNED for our range, past 50, the dot starts to cover more of the target and be less useful.

I disagree with TNTQ's zero method, its PERFECT for a sniper rifle... and hes spot on, the path curves, depending on hopup, but for aegs i dont recomend it, and deffinately not for a red dot sight.. I'd want my red dot to hit bang on the money at 10m. And at 320, with a decent hopup, you'd still be bang on the money at 30-40m, the average engagement range. Longer shots are simple, learn to aim off. By all means know your bb path, but Zeroing a red dot for a point at a fixed distance in that curve, which is beyond average ranges, is overkill. I'd hate to have to aim down the barrel at 20m to hit someone, and im not the white laser, walk the bbs onto the target type. This is a fast sport, hit first shot, and with a red dot, that's possible, and its purpose.

In terms of sight types... tube sights tend to give the user tunnel vision. You cant see much around it. For a sniper with a zoom scope... grand, aimpoints are a borderline, but still useful. Reflex sights are quick and accurate, The type tntq showed, I have, and love for a close up cqb weapon, and Eotechs are great all round sights.
When buying, consider your use, your style, and your ability to have a wide field of vision.

MonkeyGuy

At the moment I'm using an old ACOG style red dot and I love the look so really I was wondering if it'd be a good idea to get an actual ACOG, or whether I'd be better off just throwing it away and just using my iron sights. As such it's a "tunnel sight" but I don't really get tunnel vision because I can keep both eyes open using it? Anyways Firekitten, you'd recommend zeroing a RDS to 10m? Or was that just an example?

Firekitten

Tube sights are alright, tunnel vision is just something that can happen if you dont watch it. As for zeroing... 20 is a good medium, before it, it will likely be the same hit point, and after, its not far enough off that a centre mass shot would drop at thier feet....

zero'd at 20, you can centre mass aim, quickly, and be sure of hitting the player 9 times out of 10, any more complicated than that and I find your reaction shooting starts to suffer because of complex zeroing techniques.

Arkslippy

TNTQ 12:00 Yesterday

Originally Posted by Arkslippy:

What do you recommend to replace glass in a red dot. Dave put bbs through mine and I need to work something out.


That is the big issue with sights, in cbq they will get shattered. Players can't hit a mansize Target but they can hit your 2" sight.

What scope is that?


It's a swiss arms standard one. It was on the Pdw he brought down to you a few weeks ago. KIA in the block.

Firekitten

Chances are its new scope time. Nobody sells replacement glass for them. Best bet is get a new one, and get a killflash if they make one, or stick a bit of perspex over it to protect if it you want. As for 'they will get shot out' in cqb, as I said earlier, in 6 years of near total cqb play, ive not had one shot out yet.

evilrobotshane

Conversely, I had one shot out on my very first time using one. Fortunately it wasn't mine. (err, sorry Gerrowadat)

Maintaining the karmic balance, one of mine got knackered by being shot while being used by somebody else.

MagicIRL

I took a BB to my first scope (an ACOG) but luckily I had the killflash. If you don't have the idle cash I would recommend just buying an ACOG or Eotech so you can get a protector for the scope and save yourself the couple euro in the end.

Firekitten

its more chance of losing a lens with a flimsy lens in a reflex sight, a tube sight has different tensile tollerances, its curved and secured more firmly. Ive had one bounce off a scope before, didnt leave a mark.