Car without logbook

clueless007

Hi,

I need advice about selling a car without its logbook. My husband and I bought a car from his ex-colleague 3 yrs ago. We didn't know the logbook issue. Now, we are selling the car and told that we need to provide a logbook. His ex colleague is back in Aus and we are leaving next week. There's a buyer for our car, can we do something about getting a logbook? Or can we sell the car without the logbook?
Please help. It's urgent. Thanks.

Divorce Referendum

clueless007 wrote: »

Hi,

I need advice about selling a car without its logbook. My husband and I bought a car from his ex-colleague 3 yrs ago. We didn't know the logbook issue. Now, we are selling the car and told that we need to provide a logbook. His ex colleague is back in Aus and we are leaving next week. There's a buyer for our car, can we do something about getting a logbook? Or can we sell the car without the logbook?
Please help. It's urgent. Thanks.

So you never had a logbook even when you bought it 3 years ago?

clueless007

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

So you never had a logbook even when you bought it 3 years ago?

No, the car didn't come with the logbook. We were new in Ireland. We owned cars in Aus and US but they didn't have such requirement. We were too naive. Please advise.

challengemaster

Driver and Vehicle Computer Services Division,
Department of Transport,
Shannon Town Centre,
Shannon,
Co. Clare.
Tel: +353 (0) 61 365 000
**Locall: 1890 411412

Call them in the morning and explain the situation, they should send out a new log book to you

Guy:Incognito

clueless007 wrote: »

No, the car didn't come with the logbook. We were new in Ireland. We owned cars in Aus and US but they didn't have such requirement. We were too naive. Please advise.

Is the "registration" part of "licence and registration please" in the US not a registration document to show who owns the vehicle and its particulars? Thats the same as a logbook (it's actual called a VCL, Vehicle Licencing Certificate).

Surely every country has some form of registration document that proves you own the vehicle concerned?

clueless007

challengemaster wrote: »

Driver and Vehicle Computer Services Division,
Department of Transport,
Shannon Town Centre,
Shannon,
Co. Clare.
Tel: +353 (0) 61 365 000
**Locall: 1890 411412

Call them in the morning and explain the situation, they should send out a new log book to you

Thank you for your input.

Does it help if we got registration cert for the car? Could we still sell the car without the logbook? Could we get the transaction done and then ask Driver and Vehicle Computer Service Division to send the new logbook to the new owner?

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clueless007 wrote: »

Thank you for your input.

Does it help if we got registration cert for the car? Could we still sell the car without the logbook? Could we get the transaction done and then ask Driver and Vehicle Computer Service Division to send the new logbook to the new owner?

I think you may be confusing the VRC and logbook as seperate documents but they are the same thing. Is this what you have?

Ricardo G

Shannon will not automaticly send a logbook out to you, they will send a form to you that will require the following
The name and address of the previous owner, registration, date you purchased the vehicle etc
You will need to get this stamped by a commisioner of oaths and usually a small fee of approximatley 10-12 euro applies. Bit of a pain all in all but you should have no problem then. You will need to send all this info off to Shannon and they will then issue you with a new Vehicle lisencing Certificate

Ricardo G

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

I think you may be confusing the VRC and logbook as seperate documents but they are the same thing. Is this what you have?

Not the same thing at all, you cant use the Vehicle registration cert to transfer new owner details but the previous owners should be on it and this will help receive a new logbook

Guy:Incognito

Ricardo G wrote: »

Not the same thing at all, you cant use the Vehicle registration cert to transfer new owner details but the previous owners should be on it and this will help receive a new logbook

What? Of course you can. The cert is the only thing you get with a car. Theres a section on the back to fill in and sign the new owner details. You send it to Shannon and they send a new one to the new owner.

It's been 8 or 10 years since you got 2 seperate certs.

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Ricardo G wrote: »

Not the same thing at all, you cant use the Vehicle registration cert to transfer new owner details but the previous owners should be on it and this will help receive a new logbook

What? The vehicle registration certificate has replaced the two certs when i was a wee fella and you can use the vrc to transfer the ownership to whoever you are selling the car to.

Ricardo G

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What? Of course you can. The cert is the only thing you get with a car. Theres a section on the back to fill in and sign the new owner details. You send it to Shannon and they send a new one to the new owner.

It's been 8 or 10 years since you got 2 seperate certs.

:rolleyes::rolleyes: The Vehicle lisencing cert is the logbook mate (the pic above)
The vehicle registration cert is different, its a yellow slip of paper that cant be used to transfer owner details......... yes they went out the window years ago but this is what the OP has

Guy:Incognito

Ricardo G wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes: The Vehicle lisencing cert is the logbook mate (the pic above)
The vehicle registration cert is different, its a yellow slip of paper that cant be used to transfer owner details......... yes they went out the window years ago but this is what the OP has

If the OP got the car 3 years ago then they dont have the old cert.

and :rolleyes::rolleyes: I clearly said a few posts back the cert and the logbook were the same thing. it was only after that the OP said they had anything at all.

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Ricardo G wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes: The Vehicle lisencing cert is the logbook mate (the pic above)
The vehicle registration cert is different, its a yellow slip of paper that cant be used to transfer owner details......... yes they went out the window years ago but this is what the OP has

Its says vehicle REGISTRATION certificate on that pic above. What you are talking about i have no idea.

Ev84

clueless007 wrote: »

Hi,

I need advice about selling a car without its logbook. My husband and I bought a car from his ex-colleague 3 yrs ago. We didn't know the logbook issue. Now, we are selling the car and told that we need to provide a logbook. His ex colleague is back in Aus and we are leaving next week. There's a buyer for our car, can we do something about getting a logbook? Or can we sell the car without the logbook?
Please help. It's urgent. Thanks.

If you live anyway close to Clare at all you should just drop in in-person and explain your situation... I live in Limerick, had an issue with the gardai wanting proof i owned my car.

Long story short, I needed a logbook quick, drove out to Shannon (address above), explained my circumstances, filled out a form, paid an amount that i can not remember now (wasn't much) and got it printed five minutes later.

It was all a bit hush-hush too so i guess it's not standard practice. The woman was nice to help me. Maybe i got lucky but it seems worth a shot as you need it quick. Better to go in rather than ring... hope that helps.

PS - i sold my car and transfered ownership with the VRC (shown above) couple of years back. My details were printed on it and the buyer had to put his details on the back and drop it out to Shannon. I thought "logbooks" were done away with and people just kept calling the VRC the logbook? Am i wrong? Is the VRC not a substitute for the old logbooks?

clueless007

Yes, that's the document I am referring to. With this document and without the logbook, can we sell the car? Will we get the new owner in trouble?

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

I think you may be confusing the VRC and logbook as seperate documents but they are the same thing. Is this what you have?

How long does it take? We're leaving on Wed and the guy really wants the car by Sunday. We only found out about the logbook today so we haven't informed him about this yet.

Ricardo G wrote: »

Shannon will not automaticly send a logbook out to you, they will send a form to you that will require the following
The name and address of the previous owner, registration, date you purchased the vehicle etc
You will need to get this stamped by a commisioner of oaths and usually a small fee of approximatley 10-12 euro applies. Bit of a pain all in all but you should have no problem then. You will need to send all this info off to Shannon and they will then issue you with a new Vehicle lisencing Certificate

Ricardo G wrote: »

Not the same thing at all, you cant use the Vehicle registration cert to transfer new owner details but the previous owners should be on it and this will help receive a new logbook

Can this sale go through without a logbook but only with this document?

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What? Of course you can. The cert is the only thing you get with a car. Theres a section on the back to fill in and sign the new owner details. You send it to Shannon and they send a new one to the new owner.

It's been 8 or 10 years since you got 2 seperate certs.

clueless007

I don't know about every country's practice. For US and Aus, the document that proves the ownership of the vehicles is called something like Vehicle Licencing Cert. And not logbook.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is the "registration" part of "licence and registration please" in the US not a registration document to show who owns the vehicle and its particulars? Thats the same as a logbook (it's actual called a VCL, Vehicle Licencing Certificate).

Surely every country has some form of registration document that proves you own the vehicle concerned?

Guy:Incognito

clueless007 wrote: »

I don't know about every country's practice. For US and Aus, the document that proves the ownership of the vehicles is called something like Vehicle Licencing Cert. And not logbook.

Theres no logbook anymore, its gone years. The Vehicle Registration cert is the only thing a car comes with anymore.

Is the car still in the last owners name? Going to Shannon in person if possible as EV84 describes might be the only way to get it sorted in time if it is.

clueless007

Thank you very much for everyone's input on this.

Very relieved to know that the "logbooks" are phased out. The vehicle registration cert has my husband's name on it.

Thank you again for everyone's contributions

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres no logbook anymore, its gone years. The Vehicle Registration cert is the only thing a car comes with anymore.

Is the car still in the last owners name? Going to Shannon in person if possible as EV84 describes might be the only way to get it sorted in time if it is.

CiniO

It's unbelievable how such a easy matter can cause so much confussion.

And all these, because people wrongly name things.

"Registration Certificate". That's the name of document every car owner should have.
OP said she has this document, so there's nothing else needed.

Please explain me, why so many people call it logbook or VLC (vehicle licencing certificate), causing unnecesery confusion.

Orando Broom

CiniO wrote: »

It's unbelievable how such a easy matter can cause so much confussion.

And all these, because people wrongly name things.

"Registration Certificate". That's the name of document every car owner should have.
OP said she has this document, so there's nothing else needed.

Please explain me, why so many people call it logbook or VLC (vehicle licencing certificate), causing unnecesery confusion.

The lack of public awareness of the 'rebrand' is the fault of the Department of Transport/Environment whoever was the authoirty. A short publicity campaign would have solved a lot of problems. I still hear the Reg Cert referred to as a log book. It's it very easy to get confused. Ricardo G is a perfect example.

Del2005

When selling the car. Fill in the new owners name on the VLC and then YOU post it off to Shannon, not the new owner. If they know you are going away then they may not send it in and you could be build up a lot of fines in your name.

taintabird

This is it that's all you need nothing else you fill in the new owners details on the back and post it to Shannon and they issue the new owner with a new one with their details on it,Thats all you get there isnt a log book as such any more.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

It's unbelievable how such a easy matter can cause so much confussion.

And all these, because people wrongly name things.

"Registration Certificate". That's the name of document every car owner should have.
OP said she has this document, so there's nothing else needed.

Please explain me, why so many people call it logbook or VLC (vehicle licencing certificate), causing unnecesery confusion.

The same reason so many people call motor tax "road tax" maybe?

On my part I actually couldnt remember off hand if it was VLC or VRC that was the current term. The middle letter is fairly irrelevant in fairness as it was made clear fairly early on that the only nert needed was the one . So regardless of whether its called a VLC or a VRC if you got a cert when you bought your car, thats it.

The "logbook" things is a relic from years ago and some people just call anything that is a registration document for a car, a logbook. Mostly older peopel I'd imagine.

clueless007

I'm sorry to have caused everyone such confusion. Did googled quite a bit before posting the question on the board. Got all the answers saying all we need the "logbook" or else ... :eek:

Thank you again

user_name_d

Hey - Sorry to re-open this discussion and jump on the OP's issue but I am in a pretty similar situation.

Everyone is right the transport dept does not make this easy to follow!

Anyway I have just been kindly given a car from an old neighbour and they have posted me up the Vehicle Registration Certificate(VRC). The car is a '98 model.

My confusion arises as he says this is the only document he has, it doesnt look like the JPEG's attached to other peoples post but looks legit.

On the back however it says:

CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP - to be completed ONLY if the vehicle has NEVER BEEN LICENSED for road use(tax) in the state.

Is this where I update the details and send off to Shannon or am I missing some 'logbook' or another document!

I also question this as on the Dept of Transport site they say:

If a vehicle is sold privately, both the seller and the buyer must complete reverse portion of the Vehicle Registration Certificate (or in the case of pre-April 2004 vehicles Part B the vehicle licensing certificate)

http://www.transport.ie/roads/motortax/index.asp?lang=ENG&loc=2468

My doc doesnt have a Part B and is called a VRC not VLC even though it is 1998 car...

Any help appreciated as I am now up in Dublin with a car I need to tax and kind of need it as soon as poss.

kev90

Ricardo G wrote: »

Shannon will not automaticly send a logbook out to you, they will send a form to you that will require the following
The name and address of the previous owner, registration, date you purchased the vehicle etc
You will need to get this stamped by a commisioner of oaths and usually a small fee of approximatley 10-12 euro applies. Bit of a pain all in all but you should have no problem then. You will need to send all this info off to Shannon and they will then issue you with a new Vehicle lisencing Certificate

Hi, ive had to do this before but i cant remember the name of the form. any ideas?? i know its available online but i just cant remember the name of the form im looking for. thanks

headache!!!!!

I got a new car 7 weeks ago and still didnt get the log book and i dont know whos name its in and have no way of finding out. Is dare any way i can get a new logbook without having the previous owners name and address?

Jarren

Insert your reg here

https://www.motortax.ie/PSE/start.do;jsessionid=0aa0114730d8083dbc5d2d144177aea7f11dab72af39.e38PaNaSbh0RaO0La30Me0?page=welcome